[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Created by William Jacobson, a known conservative activist who has had videos on YouTube taken down

His record of right wing extremist views is well known.

Again, allow elected officials and activists in the P arena to dictate what is taught, as a replacement for truth, to our children ?

Jacobsen is a lot more credible than far left extremists at NYT CNN MSNBC CBS etc etc Their record of far left extremist views is well known

See how this works?

Teachers and their unions are completely activist and political. Take a look at their donation records.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by nick demis

The problem is the radicalism of many, if not most, educators. This has been a growing problem since the late 60's.

I doubt that the teachers in Kansas and Nebraska are particularly radical - maybe many in the Northeast and Ca. and Wa. - and I could see those as being SOMEWHAT left of center, but still PATRIOTIC and NOT all out Mao-type communists. The dangerous segments of society today are the anarchists, the proud boys, the QANON followers, and other dark media viewers.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

So, ONLY blacks and browns are affected by "gerrymandering?" And only blacks and browns stand in long lines to vote? Are you suggesting that blacks and browns are too ignorant to use early voting? Sounds a bit racist to me.

I NEVER suggested that Blacks and Browns were too ignorant at ANYTHING. I WOULD suggest that maybe you should get more informed about the dark, hidden ramifications about the lines drawn by gerrymandering.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I NEVER suggested that Blacks and Browns were too ignorant at ANYTHING. I WOULD suggest that maybe you should get more informed about the dark, hidden ramifications about the lines drawn by gerrymandering.

Actually, you did by insinuation. I have yet to see ANY evidence that blacks and browns are kept from voting due to "gerrymandering" and that is what you indicated. You seem to assume that ALL blacks and browns vote according to a particular party line, but even then it just isn't so. No American citizen is hindered from voting today. Not even the dead, apparently.

And once again, you are making the discussion into a political theme and it will likely be closed

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Jacobsen is a lot more credible than far left extremists at NYT CNN MSNBC CBS etc etc Their record of far left extremist views is well known

See how this works?

Teachers and their unions are completely activist and political. Take a look at their donation records.

Attachment 89841

1, I am married to a public school teacher who taught for 34 years

2. I have been a substitute teacher my self for a few years. But most of my time was spent working for the GOP. Yes...the GOP. Party left me when it became radical and un American.

3. Teacher Unions are active, and in fact exist because of tenure laws. That means, without tenure they can be fired at the whim of any politically elected person, no matter their reviews or performance.

4. Nobody teaches what you folks are railing against. It is not a subject, and if you took the time to read about it, you would find it is not something to fear as you are being told.

5. Read this as a start....What Is Critical Race Theory, and Why Is It Under Attack?

6. New York Post May be the only place you will see what you posted. A another Murdoch (think Fox) entity....both of them under severe pressure to become more extreme as ratings have tumbled.

Just wanted to make sure you know that I know “how this works” before you challenge me again. You really have no clue.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Jacobsen is a lot more credible than far left extremists at NYT CNN MSNBC CBS etc etc Their record of far left extremist views is well known

See how this works?

Teachers and their unions are completely activist and political. Take a look at their donation records.

Attachment 89841

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[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Actually, you did by insinuation. I have yet to see ANY evidence that blacks and browns are kept from voting due to "gerrymandering" and that is what you indicated. You seem to assume that ALL blacks and browns vote according to a particular party line, but even then it just isn't so. No American citizen is hindered from voting today. Not even the dead, apparently.

And once again, you are making the discussion into a political theme and it will likely be closed

Some of us, in THIS lifetime, are a little too SUPERFICIAL - let us hope that the next lifetime bodes better - where ALL the ramifications of CRT and gerrymandering are explained - starting in 4th grade.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by Bucco

1, I am married to a public school teacher who taught for 34 years

2. I have been a substitute teacher my self for a few years. But most of my time was spent working for the GOP. Yes...the GOP. Party left me when it became radical and un American.

3. Teacher Unions are active, and in fact exist because of tenure laws. That means, without tenure they can be fired at the whim of any politically elected person, no matter their reviews or performance.

4. Nobody teaches what you folks are railing against. It is not a subject, and if you took the time to read about it, you would find it is not something to fear as you are being told.

5. Read this as a start....What Is Critical Race Theory, and Why Is It Under Attack?

6. New York Post May be the only place you will see what you posted. A another Murdoch (think Fox) entity....both of them under severe pressure to become more extreme as ratings have tumbled.

Just wanted to make sure you know that I know “how this works” before you challenge me again. You really have no clue.

Fox ratings have tumbled? Why are you posting misinformation?

Hint: Bigger numbers means you have more viewers and higher ratings

Total Viewers (Live+SD x 1,000)

Total Day: FNC: 1.477 | CNN: 624 | MSNBC: 1.040
Prime: FNC: 2.523 | CNN: 835 | MSNBC: 1.866

Thursday, June 10 Scoreboard: Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham Finish No. 1 and No. 2 Among Adults 25-54 | TVNewser

Or maybe you are referring to the overall decline in TV news viewership? They have all declined because no more Covid panic porn and election hysteria. The fact remains that as of this week, 4 out of the top 5 most viewed TV news programs are produced by FOX

Here are the declines as of June 2

In the 25-54 demo, Fox News was at 203,000, down 38%, followed by CNN with 147,000, off by 51%, and MSNBC with 108,000, down 39%.

Perhaps math is not your strong point.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by miharris

- Our early economy was not based on "free slave labor" Slave labor was used almost exclusively in the south for cash crops - primarily cotton and tobacco. In terms of the overall economy of the US, the south was miniscule compared to the industrialized northern states. In fact, the cause of the civil war was not primarily slavery, it was the fact that the south was being increasingly marginalized by the northern states, who favored high import and export tariffs, which kept agricultural prices low (fewer export markets) and the price of manufactured goods high (difficult to import from other industrialized countries). There is no question that slavery was and is abhorrent, but it is true that it existed for thousands of years in hundreds of cultures.


- Segregation was in fact true, and an unfortunate part of US history, but our current system provides abundant opportunities for people of color in education and employment. In fact, the most successful 'race' in the US currently is Asian, not white.

- The Tulsa race riots were a travesty, true, but they happened in 1921 for gods sake. Are you seriously implying that the country where that happened is the same country that elected a Black man president? Twice??

My biggest issue is that the current extreme left wing movement, including things like CRT, is to the push to equality of outcome, as oppose to equality of opportunity. That is not what made this county the envy of the world. And before you object to that phrase, tell me why our boarder is being over-run by people from central and south America? Why aren't they flocking to Venezuela? Mexico? Brazil? North Korea?

US economy "NOT based on slave labor"? I remember reading that from colonial days onward, cotton cheaply raised by slave labor, created GREAT early wealth that stayed with the US even till today.

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

US economy "NOT based on slave labor"? I remember reading that from colonial days onward, cotton cheaply raised by slave labor, created GREAT early wealth that stayed with the US even till today.

In colonial times Northeastern industrial production and the fishing industry operating in the Great Banks eclipsed southern cotton crops in wealth production. Cotton production was beneficial to the few southern states. Fact.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Bucco

1, I am married to a public school teacher who taught for 34 years

2. I have been a substitute teacher my self for a few years. But most of my time was spent working for the GOP. Yes...the GOP. Party left me when it became radical and un American.

3. Teacher Unions are active, and in fact exist because of tenure laws. That means, without tenure they can be fired at the whim of any politically elected person, no matter their reviews or performance.

4. Nobody teaches what you folks are railing against. It is not a subject, and if you took the time to read about it, you would find it is not something to fear as you are being told.

5. Read this as a start....What Is Critical Race Theory, and Why Is It Under Attack?

6. New York Post May be the only place you will see what you posted. A another Murdoch (think Fox) entity....both of them under severe pressure to become more extreme as ratings have tumbled.

Just wanted to make sure you know that I know “how this works” before you challenge me again. You really have no clue.

Interesting. While you are on the subject, and if you don't mind, who long exactly has it been since you and/or your spouse taught public school? The reason I ask is that we are speaking of CRT being taught today, and it has been reported in several states as being taught today. I doubt sincerely that it is only FOX that is reporting this, because I do not (or rarely) watch FOX news. Not that I have anything against it, but I tend to read my news other than the local weather.
I have seen/read reports of children bringing home school work where they are studying CRT, even if it is not labeled CRT. Sorry, but I do not believe that someone has deliberately made up this "conspiracy."
I apologize if you misconstrue this as an accusation that you are wrong. I am just suggesting that since you do not teach now(or do you?) and do not teach in all the states in the U.S. of A. then you cannot definitely state that CRT is NOT being taught.

I applaud your loyalty to unions, even though I consider them wrong for America now. I do believe they had their place years ago, before the gov imposed employment regulations protecting most employee rights. IMO unions are a tool of the socialists, and I am anti-socialist when it comes to our country. I am sure that some social programs have been beneficial for some folks, but private enterprise has always been superior and of more benefit for our country. I have not seen a business yet that the Feds can operate efficiently.

Thank you for your many years of servicing America's children. I have great admiration for most teachers and I do know the limits and regulations that the gov has put on teaching today. And it is too bad that unions tend to spend most of their effort protecting bad teachers.

[mikemalloy]

Colonial America was under British law. England felt that the main purpose of the colonies was to contribute to the wealth and power of his majesty's land. While slavery was not a part of life in England, it was a part of its colonies so that goods and agricultural products could be produced cheaply. England relied on its trade with the colonies for tobacco and other crops that were farmed on large tracts in the south. When the American Constitutional government was formed in the late 1700's slavery had been a part of the southern economic system for a century and a half. Slavery existed in colonial America because England tolerated it for financial reason. The 1619 "project" is a distorted view of history driven by anti-American radicals in my view.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

US economy "NOT based on slave labor"? I remember reading that from colonial days onward, cotton cheaply raised by slave labor, created GREAT early wealth that stayed with the US even till today.

Nope, only about 40 years, from about 1820-1860 and then share cropping replaced the cotton driven economy.

[SkBlogW]

To sum up CRT theory, they basically want to start history around 1600 and blame everything on white people. Anything that happened before then is forbidden from being discussed.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

What happened to the US. I think most Of us (at least 70%) are asking ourselves that question. I can think of about 10 factors. I can talk about one of them that relates directly to CRT, which I think is a clumsy and confusing name. (It has caused confusion here. It does seem foreign or socialist-type scary) I would call it.....teaching the TRUE history of the US......not WHITEwashing it (pun intended). A free society has zero reasons to try to duck the TRUTH. My high school never mentioned the Tulsa massacre or the Rosewood, Fl one. I was mature enough in 8th grade to take in those TRUTHS. I had Black friends that I played sports with that I could have had a reasonable conversation with on that subject. Race relations would be SO much better today if in 1965 President Johnson had EXTENDED Civil Rights laws to encourage Blacks and White to live in the SAME neighborhoods - by tax credits for builders of new developments or whatever would have made that happen. In the 60s my white neighborhood was physically far away from the Black neighborhood in the same town - that made RELATING to each other more difficult. In college and in the Air Farce, it was much easier to relate to other races - there was less physical SEPERATION!

I don’t know where you grew up and went to school, but we learned about slavery, the Underground Railroad, Rosa Parks, the lynchings and cross burning perpetrated by the KKK in grade school. I went to high school during the era of forced bussing to fully integrate schools. Looking back, my friends were a mix of white, black & Asian - but back then, they were just friends. It’s the people who want to classify others by their race, who are the real racists. The media and others who do their best to continually drive a wedge between people, truly disgust me…