[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

It is very important to keep the turmoil at a high level for another 18 months. If there is nothing to get ****ed off at, then make something up and repeat it until everyone is mad or afraid.

We can only HOPE that it settles down and America goes back to being America again. That the wedges start to heal themselves.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bucco

It is simply the mantra they will use in 2022. Remember "fear immigrants"

They seem to have a need to allow the loyal cult something to fear,.

This is it for 2022......as I said earlier, they are dashing around in "certain states, passing laws in search of a problem

The Federal government or the COURTS need to stop those state anti-voting laws. It IS a step toward a Dictatorship.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The Federal government or the COURTS need to stop those state anti-voting laws. It IS a step toward a Dictatorship.

And just how many of these laws have you actually read, pray tell?

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

And just how many of these laws have you actually read, pray tell?

As said....most are laws searching for a problem

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by Bucco

As said....most are laws searching for a problem

That statement ignores my question. And this was not asked of you but rather jimmyjam.

[graciegirl]

Aloha. I want to state that I respect both women and men and their ideas. It is clear to me that some posters do not have a lot of respect for one or the other gender and their views.

I really do think we need to have laws that encourage real people to show up and show I.D. in order to vote in public elections. I think the chance of certain groups manipulating people and voting is very high. Some would go so far to pick them up at their homes and PAY them to vote. To me that destroys the very essence of fair elections.

I don't think that most people dislike new immigrants at all. I would say that I speak for the majority of people in the U.S. when I say that good people are welcome and those that want to sell people or drugs are not. All around us in Florida we have so many great examples of hard working, saving, diligent and honest immigrants who want to be a success in this great land. And then there are a few who are here to harm us and use us. We need SOME controls to keep the bad people out. I have a REAL problem as a mother understanding how anyone could allow their child to come here or anywhere far from home unattended by someone who will protect them. It goes against ALL instinct that women are born with and all the high oxytocin we keep once we become a mother.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Aloha. I want to state that I respect both women and men and their ideas. It is clear to me that some posters do not have a lot of respect for one or the other gender and their views.

I really do think we need to have laws that encourage real people to show up and show I.D. in order to vote in public elections. I think the chance of certain groups manipulating people and voting is very high. Some would go so far to pick them up at their homes and PAY them to vote. To me that destroys the very essence of fair elections.

I don't think that most people dislike new immigrants at all. I would say that I speak for the majority of people in the U.S. when I say that good people are welcome and those that want to sell people or drugs are not. All around us in Florida we have so many great examples of hard working, saving, diligent and honest immigrants who want to be a success in this great land. And then there are a few who are here to harm us and use us. We need SOME controls to keep the bad people out. I have a REAL problem as a mother understanding how anyone could allow their child to come here or anywhere far from home unattended by someone who will protect them. It goes against ALL instinct that women are born with and all the high oxytocin we keep once we become a mother.

I completely agree with your post.

My concern is that laws are being passed with no evidence that they actually solve a real problem. They appear to be based on the idea of "someone MIGHT" do something.

I believe that was the point of the post "laws being passed in search of a problem".

There have been literally hundreds of millions of dollars donated and spent in the last 6 months to prove massive election manipulation and fraud. And yet, so far there is no proof. LOTS of talking, but no proof.

So, my question is, is it more important to stop 100 illegal votes at the cost of denying potentially thousand of legal voters the right to vote?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Questions about the whole voting fraud and voting rights issues:

Does voting on a workday help or hinder some legal voting?

Does having limited voting places so people have to stand in line for hours help or hinder legal voting?

Does requiring yet another "legal" especially for voting help or hinder legal voting?

I am all for stopping illegal votes. But just how much of a problem is it really? And how many legal votes are prevented or inhibited by the measures being taken? How about a "voter impact" analysis be required for ANY law that established or changes rules for voting?

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Aloha. I want to state that I respect both women and men and their ideas. It is clear to me that some posters do not have a lot of respect for one or the other gender and their views.

I really do think we need to have laws that encourage real people to show up and show I.D. in order to vote in public elections. I think the chance of certain groups manipulating people and voting is very high. Some would go so far to pick them up at their homes and PAY them to vote. To me that destroys the very essence of fair elections.

I don't think that most people dislike new immigrants at all. I would say that I speak for the majority of people in the U.S. when I say that good people are welcome and those that want to sell people or drugs are not. All around us in Florida we have so many great examples of hard working, saving, diligent and honest immigrants who want to be a success in this great land. And then there are a few who are here to harm us and use us. We need SOME controls to keep the bad people out. I have a REAL problem as a mother understanding how anyone could allow their child to come here or anywhere far from home unattended by someone who will protect them. It goes against ALL instinct that women are born with and all the high oxytocin we keep once we become a mother.

"real people to show up and show I.D. in order to vote in public elections."

Is your idea to show that IN ADDITION to the identification required when you register to vote ?


Then that registration is sent to your home address.

But you suggest that we show ID twice, in addition to the registration being hand checked ??

"Some would go so far to pick them up at their homes and PAY them to vote."

Could you supply some sort of definition as to SOME"might be.....a terrible accusation to make in such and general unsupported way

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

You need to practice your whataboutism better. You make no sense. Black people in the BLM riots were not deputized by the local law enforcement and ordered to murder, loot, and destroy property.

Nope, they were sanctioned by political leaders.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Bucco

"real people to show up and show I.D. in order to vote in public elections."

Is your idea to show that IN ADDITION to the identification required when you register to vote ?


Then that registration is sent to your home address.

But you suggest that we show ID twice, in addition to the registration being hand checked ??

"Some would go so far to pick them up at their homes and PAY them to vote."

Could you supply some sort of definition as to SOME"might be.....a terrible accusation to make in such and general unsupported way

What proof of citizenship did you give when you registered to vote?

FYI, the last state I voted at only asked for a verbal name and address when you voted. I could have voted for my father if I wished because they did not ask for any form of ID.

In Florida, they did not ask me for any proof when I registered but they did ask me for my ID when I voted. Although, ID other than a passport or birth certificate (or naturalization) is not proof of citizenship. And in Florida, if you wish to change your affiliation, you can do it on line without any proof.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

I completely agree with your post.

My concern is that laws are being passed with no evidence that they actually solve a real problem. They appear to be based on the idea of "someone MIGHT" do something.

I believe that was the point of the post "laws being passed in search of a problem".

There have been literally hundreds of millions of dollars donated and spent in the last 6 months to prove massive election manipulation and fraud. And yet, so far there is no proof. LOTS of talking, but no proof.

So, my question is, is it more important to stop 100 illegal votes at the cost of denying potentially thousand of legal voters the right to vote?

Thanks for understanding.......suddenly, we pass laws with no problems.

And all for no known reason...

" a broad coalition of top government and industry officials is declaring that the Nov. 3 voting and the following count unfolded smoothly with no more than the usual minor hiccups."

"......“the most secure in American history.”

Per "Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency "

Repudiating Trump, officials say election '''most secure'''

"Federal election infrastructure officials said in a joint statement on Thursday that the 2020 election was the "most secure in American history."

2020 election "most secure in history," security officials say

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Byte1

What proof of citizenship did you give when you registered to vote?

FYI, the last state I voted at only asked for a verbal name and address when you voted. I could have voted for my father if I wished because they did not ask for any form of ID.

In Florida, they did not ask me for any proof when I registered but they did ask me for my ID when I voted. Although, ID other than a passport or birth certificate (or naturalization) is not proof of citizenship. And in Florida, if you wish to change your affiliation, you can do it on line without any proof.

Photo ID.

My objection is to the claim and posts that say you can vote with no ID, skipping the hard part....registerinG

I am trying to recall when i changed my party affiliation I think I also needed the PHOTO identification and maybe one other form......I may be getting that mixed with the various forms of identification used at DMV.

I might add I found voting by mail in 2020 a bit more difficult than going to the polls.....Although since all elections are run by the state, at my age, they all run together

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Nope, they were sanctioned by political leaders.

WHOA...Those arrested in connection with January 6 would hope that you are correct.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The Federal government or the COURTS need to stop those state anti-voting laws. It IS a step toward a Dictatorship.

I do not consider a requirement of an ID as "anti-voting laws" If you are referring to GA's laws changing the times, you should read what they actually specify, rather the erroneous statements from political pundits. No one has made any laws limiting or preventing legal voters from voting. If anything, it has become too easy to vote.