An attempt to divert from the fact that the government is now back to being respected around the world and not laughed at as before. Things are sailing along TOO smoothly, so inject a little chaos and controversy into the news! Too many people are happy now that the US MAY have a future. They JUST have to squash that happiness by picking at the scabs of race relations. They have CUTE slogans like WOKE is BAD! The more devoid of meaning the better.

I must take some heat for his comments on Fox. He is right about them coming back, and this is not something I actually keep up with, but first quarter or so of this year, they had the lowest ratings in 20 years.

Some folks I know in the industry pointed out to me that FoxNews was in a panic after the election. Their candidate threw them under the bus, and as ratings dived, they became even more extreme than in the past to bring more viewership. That is anecdotal information for sure, but it "fits"

It is very important to keep the turmoil at a high level for another 18 months. If there is nothing to get ****ed off at, then make something up and repeat it until everyone is mad or afraid.

It is simply the mantra they will use in 2022. Remember "fear immigrants"

They seem to have a need to allow the loyal cult something to fear,.

This is it for 2022......as I said earlier, they are dashing around in "certain states, passing laws in search of a problem

Oh please. Go back to your CNN propaganda.

We can only HOPE that it settles down and America goes back to being America again. That the wedges start to heal themselves.

The Federal government or the COURTS need to stop those state anti-voting laws. It IS a step toward a Dictatorship.

And just how many of these laws have you actually read, pray tell?

As said....most are laws searching for a problem

That statement ignores my question. And this was not asked of you but rather jimmyjam.

Aloha. I want to state that I respect both women and men and their ideas. It is clear to me that some posters do not have a lot of respect for one or the other gender and their views.

I really do think we need to have laws that encourage real people to show up and show I.D. in order to vote in public elections. I think the chance of certain groups manipulating people and voting is very high. Some would go so far to pick them up at their homes and PAY them to vote. To me that destroys the very essence of fair elections.

I don't think that most people dislike new immigrants at all. I would say that I speak for the majority of people in the U.S. when I say that good people are welcome and those that want to sell people or drugs are not. All around us in Florida we have so many great examples of hard working, saving, diligent and honest immigrants who want to be a success in this great land. And then there are a few who are here to harm us and use us. We need SOME controls to keep the bad people out. I have a REAL problem as a mother understanding how anyone could allow their child to come here or anywhere far from home unattended by someone who will protect them. It goes against ALL instinct that women are born with and all the high oxytocin we keep once we become a mother.

I completely agree with your post.

My concern is that laws are being passed with no evidence that they actually solve a real problem. They appear to be based on the idea of "someone MIGHT" do something.

I believe that was the point of the post "laws being passed in search of a problem".

There have been literally hundreds of millions of dollars donated and spent in the last 6 months to prove massive election manipulation and fraud. And yet, so far there is no proof. LOTS of talking, but no proof.

So, my question is, is it more important to stop 100 illegal votes at the cost of denying potentially thousand of legal voters the right to vote?

Questions about the whole voting fraud and voting rights issues:

Does voting on a workday help or hinder some legal voting?

Does having limited voting places so people have to stand in line for hours help or hinder legal voting?

Does requiring yet another "legal" especially for voting help or hinder legal voting?

I am all for stopping illegal votes. But just how much of a problem is it really? And how many legal votes are prevented or inhibited by the measures being taken? How about a "voter impact" analysis be required for ANY law that established or changes rules for voting?

"real people to show up and show I.D. in order to vote in public elections."

Is your idea to show that IN ADDITION to the identification required when you register to vote ?


Then that registration is sent to your home address.

But you suggest that we show ID twice, in addition to the registration being hand checked ??

"Some would go so far to pick them up at their homes and PAY them to vote."

Could you supply some sort of definition as to SOME"might be.....a terrible accusation to make in such and general unsupported way

Nope, they were sanctioned by political leaders.

What proof of citizenship did you give when you registered to vote?

FYI, the last state I voted at only asked for a verbal name and address when you voted. I could have voted for my father if I wished because they did not ask for any form of ID.

In Florida, they did not ask me for any proof when I registered but they did ask me for my ID when I voted. Although, ID other than a passport or birth certificate (or naturalization) is not proof of citizenship. And in Florida, if you wish to change your affiliation, you can do it on line without any proof.

Thanks for understanding.......suddenly, we pass laws with no problems.

And all for no known reason...

" a broad coalition of top government and industry officials is declaring that the Nov. 3 voting and the following count unfolded smoothly with no more than the usual minor hiccups."

"......“the most secure in American history.”

Per "Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency "

Repudiating Trump, officials say election '''most secure'''

"Federal election infrastructure officials said in a joint statement on Thursday that the 2020 election was the "most secure in American history."

2020 election "most secure in history," security officials say

Photo ID.

My objection is to the claim and posts that say you can vote with no ID, skipping the hard part....registerinG

I am trying to recall when i changed my party affiliation I think I also needed the PHOTO identification and maybe one other form......I may be getting that mixed with the various forms of identification used at DMV.

I might add I found voting by mail in 2020 a bit more difficult than going to the polls.....Although since all elections are run by the state, at my age, they all run together

WHOA...Those arrested in connection with January 6 would hope that you are correct.

I do not consider a requirement of an ID as "anti-voting laws" If you are referring to GA's laws changing the times, you should read what they actually specify, rather the erroneous statements from political pundits. No one has made any laws limiting or preventing legal voters from voting. If anything, it has become too easy to vote.

It seems the group against more government influence and party power is changing a bit......now, for example, in Georgia "The Republican-controlled legislature has more control over the State Election Board."

This is a great recap......

"https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/us/politics/georgia-voting-law-annotated.html

IN addition and getting back to the topic of the thread....same folks who want LESS government involvement now want to strike things from history.....elected officials, now.

Tell our kids the truth every case

Listening to political "pundits" is never a good idea. My reason for checking everyones post for who they are plagiarizing, stealing from, trying to hide source, etc.

Social media is a bad thing for any serious discussion of any subject

What are talking about? Facts? Elected officials? Maybe you meant to respond to someone else?

And yet............

First off, the NYtimes?? Really???
Please give me specifics of those folks that "want to strike things from history" other than those that wish to wipe names off of building, streets, and remove statues. The also want "less government?"

You're definitely mixing up things. I registered to vote via mail. I changed my affiliation from unaffiliated to democrat just so I could vote in the democratic primary, and I did that online. I switched back to unaffiliated after the primary, again, online.

When I voted in person in the primaries, I was not required to show any ID at all, just my name and address, and they let me vote. When I voted early at the presidential election, I had to do it at the Lady Lake public library, and they checked my drivers' license to make sure I was who I said I was.

As long as you can prove that you are really you, that's all that SHOULD be required for the actual vote. If they need citizenship proof, then that should be part of the registration process.

Once you're registered, you shouldn't ever need to prove that you are a citizen of the USA. The fact that you ARE registered is proof enough.

Just trying to get the thread back to the subject.

The example is anti CRT launch AND the subject of the thread

There you go....no interest in "mixing things up". I vote each year. I registered to vote in Pennsylvania way back. I came here in 1998, and was required to show photo ID to register to vote.. I said I "think" I had to show photo I'd when I changed my affliction, but actually not sure.

Thus not completely understand how I mixed things up.

The point was that those who keep insisting people are voting without ID are wrong.

Sorry I mixed you up...continue and the dumb guy will shut up. I really thought we were discussing election law, run by individual states, and the Georgia law. I was simply inserting the thought that I am tired of hearing about people voting with no I'd. No state I am aware of allows that, but it is bandied about as a truism. No intention to cause disruption.

The basic flaw in your argument is "deny thousands of legal voters". Please provide evidence and proof that these laws would do that.

The law will suppress the vote. How much...who knows. Every verse of the law has the thrust of making it harder to vote, thus suppressing vote.

Remember the days when the same folks were pushing and running ads to please vote ?

We are at a cusp in history, of that there is no doubt. Whether we are able to recapture our Great Experiment as a Constitutional Republic hangs in the balance. Right now the forces of totalitarianism and anarchy are trying to consolidate their power and "transform" our Nation into a Socialist, one party dictatorship. Indoctrination of our school age children is one way to ensure compliance and obedience with the youngest , etc. The threat is real and I am not willing to surrender .Never say, "It can't happen here".

I would absolutely provide evidence of thousand of voters denied the opportunity to vote as soon as you provide evidence of massive voter fraud - enough to change the outcome of ANY presidential election.

My point was anything that makes it harder for legal voters to vote is bad, and anything that makes it easier for legal voters to vote is good.

I will be around if you can show the need for the laws to protect our votes.

Can you show any evidence of your claim? I understand Hundreds of millions of dollars have been donated to help prove election fraud, which appears to be at the heart of your argument. Please provide ANY evidence that $100M and 6 months have proven?

The "old school, in the tank with one certain party, media". That's your news source??

So all those parents, lite skinned and dark skinned, you read about in the papers or see on TV protesting at school board meetings are simply figments of the imagination? And the teachers who have been fired or chose to resign rather than teach lies are also non-existent ?

Those people protesting, are protesting something they don't understand. Critical Race Theory is not an actual class, or lesson. It's not a thing being taught. There've been several posts on this thread explaining that, some with links to websites that explain it really really well, in layman's terms.

The laws are to eliminate voter fraud which is rampant.

Gracie;
You are one of the voices of reason on TOTV and I always respect your opinion. You are absolutely correct. I fail to comprehend how ANY American would not support elections ONLY for Citizens. That is our law as outlined in our Constitution.

Some here ask, "Where is the problem?" My answer is, the problem may or may not be currently present but if we fail to protect against any voting procedures that might make fraud easier, then we all but ensure that legitimate citizen votes will be marginalized.

I welcome all who want to come to this country LEGALLY and contribute to the tapestry that is the American people. I have no truck with those who encourage anyone to circumvent our immigration laws, including those at the highest levels of government.

We are either a Nation of Laws or we are not a Nation at all.

Again, proof??