[retiredguy123]

Today, James and Jennifer Crumbley were sentenced 10 to 15 years in prison for involuntary manslaughter for negligence in connection with the 4 murders committed by their son, Ethan, who was 15, in Michigan. I understand that they were probably negligent and could have done more to prevent their son from committing the crimes. But, they didn't commit the murders. I would also point out that Ethan was charged and sentenced as an adult, not a juvenile.

What about the hundreds of juveniles who walk around with illegal handguns and commit murders in cities like Chicago, New York, Baltimore and other cities every day. Some of these murderers are as young as 13 years old, they are out on the streets after midnight, and their parents have no idea where they are or what they are doing. In most of these cases, law enforcement doesn't even think about arresting or charging the parents with any crime at all. To me, this sounds like a very inconsistent and unfair legal system regarding arrest and prosecution. What do you think?

[mbene]

If you watched any of the proceedings and saw the evidence presented on how they ignored his cries for help, you had to know he really should have been in treatment for his mental health. Then, knowing his state of mind, your reaction is to buy him a gun, they really contributed to the killings by their actions.

[phylt]

Originally Posted by mbene

If you watched any of the proceedings and saw the evidence presented on how they ignored his cries for help, you had to know he really should have been in treatment for his mental health. Then, knowing his state of mind, your reaction is to buy him a gun, they really contributed to the killings by their actions.

We watched some of the sentencing. A 'slippery slope' as some legal analysts said.

BUT - yikes in this case, in THIS case it surely was correct for the parents to serve time.They both ignored serious mental issues with their son right up to the day of the shooting. Even bought HIM the gun that he used, several days before. Texts between the son and parents, right up to the shooting were so damning. And both of the parent's statements at the end were all about THEM, and little about the victims. If there is ANY case ripe for sentencing liable parents - THIS IS IT!!!

I always think of the VICTIMS - not the aggressors and convictees.

[manaboutown]

If the same standards were applied in Baltimore City perhaps half the adult population would be in prison.

They certainly are culpable of something but this is beyond the pale. They need to appeal. They'll probably end up bankrupt.


They should have hired O.J.'s lawyer, what's his name, Johnnie Cochran.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Today, James and Jennifer Crumbley were sentenced 10 to 15 years in prison for involuntary manslaughter for negligence in connection with the 4 murders committed by their son, Ethan, who was 15, in Michigan. I understand that they were probably negligent and could have done more to prevent their son from committing the crimes. But, they didn't commit the murders. I would also point out that Ethan was charged and sentenced as an adult, not a juvenile.

What about the hundreds of juveniles who walk around with illegal handguns and commit murders in cities like Chicago, New York, Baltimore and other cities every day. Some of these murderers are as young as 13 years old, they are out on the streets after midnight, and their parents have no idea where they are or what they are doing. In most of these cases, law enforcement doesn't even think about arresting or charging the parents with any crime at all. To me, this sounds like a very inconsistent and unfair legal system regarding arrest and prosecution. What do you think?

I think...you're talking about Michigan.

[retiredguy123]

So, these parents should go to jail, but the parents of a 13 year old who commits a murder at 2am should not be charged with any crime?

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

I think...you're talking about Michigan.

I said Michigan.

[LuvNH]

Does this open the door for the parents of the children that were killed in various terrible school massacres to follow suit and sue.

[Pondboy]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

So, these parents should go to jail, but the parents of a 13 year old who commits a murder at 2am should not be charged with any crime?

The boy was “unwell”. Yet the parents bought him a gun. There was a direct link. Your 2 AM accusation has a lot of voids and is too general to make a comparison.

Hopefully the beginning of some long needed “Common Sense Gun Laws”.

[Dusty_Star]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I said Michigan.

I think that was his point.

[fdpaq0580]

Parents are, supposedly, responsible for their children. If you buy your child a weapon and they use it to commit a crime, imo, you are guilty of aiding and abetting, at least. If your child is ill, mentally or physically, and you don't know it, you have failed as a parent.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

So, these parents should go to jail, but the parents of a 13 year old who commits a murder at 2am should not be charged with any crime?

I think they should. Hold parents accountable.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

I think they should. Hold parents accountable.

I don't disagree, but there are hundreds of juveniles committing murders, but these are the only parents being held accountable. It should be evenly enforced. Also, this murderer was tried as an adult, so, the state argued that he was acting as an adult, not as a juvenile. He is either an adult, or he is a child. You can't have it both ways. If he is an adult, how can you blame the parents for his actions?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I don't disagree, but there are hundreds of juveniles committing murders, but these are the only parents being held accountable. It should be evenly enforced. Also, this murderer was tried as an adult, so, the state argued that he was acting as an adult, not as a juvenile. He is either an adult, or he is a child. You can't have it both ways. If he is an adult, how can you blame the parents for his actions?

Yes you can. Imo, if you or I give another adult a gun and they commit murder, you or I might find ourself in court as an accessory. We didn't commit the murder, but we facilitated it. Don't give or loan stuff if there is the slightest question about its use and/or the trustworthiness of the individual involved.

[dhdallas]

The parents deserve every bit of the prison sentences. Anyone failing to secure their firearm from unauthorized use should be charged as an accessory if that firearm is used in the commission of a crime. The Crumbleys were wantonly negligent.