[jebartle]

Google is our friend, when in doubt "check it out"

[Toymeister]

Google actively hides the truth. Use Duckduckgo or another.

[Bill14564]

Unfortunately, "truth" is in the mind of the searcher. Many don't want the truth, they want their opinions confirmed. Google will return enough responses that you can usually find any "truth" you are looking for.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Toymeister

Google actively hides the truth. Use Duckduckgo or another.

Just curious, what is one example that I can search on to see google hiding the truth that duckduckgo returns?

I use duckduckgo but I never had a reason to question the results returned by google.

[Two Bills]

"Lead me to those who seek the truth, and deliver me from those who’ve found it."

Many variations on this quote.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Unfortunately, "truth" is in the mind of the searcher. Many don't want the truth, they want their opinions confirmed. Google will return enough responses that you can usually find any "truth" you are looking for.

Yes, but more often than not, you have to delve deep into the search...

A while back, I was looking for a specific video that debunked an often claimed fallacy...

I had to go 10-12 pages deep to find it, even though I put in a specific request. The first 8-9 pages were articles citing the false information...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I use google and duckduckgo and I usually find the same "main" results on the first page of each. The search engine you use isn't the issue. The question you ask is the issue.

If you type in:

Is climate change is a hoax

You'll find conspiracy websites that will feed you all the hoax information. The algorithm is picking up on the words "climate change hoax" and spitting out your preferred propaganda.

If you type in

Climate Change science

You'll find more actual data from scientific sources, but also some sites proclaiming that it is /not/ science.

If you type in "climate change definition"

You'll get a bunch of dictionary results, and a few encyclopedia results.

You'll get these results no matter which search engine you use. Learn what to ask for. That requires critical thinking. Not everyone has it, it's not really a natural human trait. It has to be learned.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Unfortunately, "truth" is in the mind of the searcher. Many don't want the truth, they want their opinions confirmed. Google will return enough responses that you can usually find any "truth" you are looking for.

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Yes, but more often than not, you have to delve deep into the search...

A while back, I was looking for a specific video that debunked an often claimed fallacy...

I had to go 10-12 pages deep to find it, even though I put in a specific request. The first 8-9 pages were articles citing the false information...

Hmmm, so you had to navigate past nine pages you considered to be false information to find the one video that held the truth? Interesting.

Neither Google nor DuckDuckGo know what the truth is, they only know what seems to be most relevant and most common. A couple of months ago they returned several articles reporting a certain person's death. Come to find out, they weren't dead. The articles were relevant and they were common but they weren't the truth.

[Pugchief]

Google and Bing actively suppress results that don't fit their narrative. Duck Duck Go used to not do that, but since the whole Ukraine controversy, they have also started to filter results. See this 36 second video for details: Duck Duck GONE
The upside is that DDG at least still respects your privacy.

The only unfiltered options are search engines like Brave, but they are inferior in quality IMHO.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

Google and Bing actively suppress results that don't fit their narrative. Duck Duck Go used to not do that, but since the whole Ukraine controversy, they have also started to filter results. See this 36 second video for details: Duck Duck GONE
The upside is that DDG at least still respects your privacy.

The only unfiltered options are search engines like Brave, but they are inferior in quality IMHO.

What is an example of a search that will give significantly different results in google and DuckDuckGo and showing Google’s active suppression?

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

What is an example of a search that will give significantly different results in google and DuckDuckGo and showing Google’s active suppression?

When it comes to that independent search index, here’s a recap of how Brave explains it. Most search engines rely on third-party indexes instead of building and using their own. Brave is building its own search index … but sometimes, it anonymously checks search results against third-party results, then mixes those results into its results page. “This mixing is a means-to-an-end toward 100% independence,” Brave says. By clicking the "Info" link toward the top of the results page, you can see how many results came from third parties.

source

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

What is an example of a search that will give significantly different results in google and DuckDuckGo and showing Google’s active suppression?

And to answer your other question:

Google Manipulates Search Results

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

source

So Brave may use results from google or duckduckgo or others. But that doesn't show how any of them actively suppress results. Of anything, Brave's use of third party indices could be taken as a validation of their data sets.

Or am I missing something?

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Or am I missing something?

Did you read the article linked in post #12?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

Did you read the article linked in post #12?

Not as I was typing post #13, but I have now. I am still looking for an example search that shows google is actively suppressing results.

The article made claims that google denies. The article provided search results comparing google with Duckduckgo but while the results were not identical I did not notice a significant difference.

I expect results from different search engines to be different. I prefer that the search engine block spam. I would hope that results are ordered to give me relevant, factual data from known sources ahead of crackpot theories from so.eone's basement or scam pages that are loaded with unintelligible text to try to get on a results page. As far as I can tell, google and duckduckgo are doing just that.