[Taltarzac725]

It does take an open mind and asking yourself why is so-and-so saying what he or she is saying? And is it verifiable or just hot air?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by huge-pigeons

You looking for the truth on Google? Good luck. Remember, all search engines have been programmed a certain way to provide you with what Google, Facebook, bing, yahoo, old twitter, and others want you to see. That’s like asking Snopes to do fact checking which isn’t accurate.

Check these sites for further info:
How Google manipulates search to favor liberals and tip elections

Middle Schooler Proves Google Search Results Influence Political Opinions [Infographic]

Google Search Results Can Lean Liberal, Study Finds - WSJ

This also goes beyond politics, their search engines favor their advertisers in their searches.

Google Uses Its Search Engine to Hawk Its Products - WSJ

Google tips the scales in its own favor--but do marketers care?; Tuesday's daily brief

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

It's still objective. The Google algorithms don't measure or give any particular value to WHO is clicking the links. They don't care who is clicking them. They are counting clicks (or "views"). Anyone who does NOT have a google account, or is NOT logged into their google account while they use the google search engine - is not being judged by Google.

If millions of people are viewing conspiracy nonsense and fewer than millions are viewing anti-conspiracy nonsense, then the conspiracy nonsense will be at the top of your google search. It's a binary system.

If you're using "Chrome", you're logged into Google...

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

If you're using "Chrome", you're logged into Google...

Not necessarily. Have a chrome window up right now but not logged in to google (at least according to gmail, calendar, and voice).

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I think a lot of you just don't understand how google and other search engines actually work. I'll explain in the way my coding teacher explained arrays to me, since it's pretty much the same thing.

How may years ago was this? And you honestly think that search algorithms have changed since then?

Edited to add: It does filter out certain things restricted by law - such as vulgarity and porn.

Filter out porn? LOL! If you don't have your settings set to restrict access, going deep enough into almost any search will give you porn...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Not necessarily. Have a chrome window up right now but not logged in to google (at least according to gmail, calendar, and voice).

And if you search for something, you don't start seeing ads for that item on ToTV?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

And if you search for something, you don't start seeing ads for that item on ToTV?

I don't see adds on ToTV (I also don't usually use google), but that has nothing to do with being logged in.

Ads are controlled through cookies and cookies don't require you to be logged in. When you search for an item Google will either place a cookie on your computer with an ID and record the searches done by that ID or it will place a cookie on your computer that contains the searches (the former is more likely). Assuming ToTV is using Google's ad service (likely) then it will pull that cookie from your computer and feed you an ad relevant to it.

I have not thought about this much, but if you have ever logged in to Google in that browser then Google might know who you are whether you are logged in or not. When you are logged in, Google could place a cookie on the computer with your ID in it. Whenever you access Google again from that browser it could retrieve the cookie and retrieve the ID that it used when you were logged in and know who you are whether you are logged in or not. Maybe I'll look into that sometime.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I don't see adds on ToTV (I also don't usually use google), but that has nothing to do with being logged in.

Ads are controlled through cookies and cookies don't require you to be logged in. When you search for an item Google will either place a cookie on your computer with an ID and record the searches done by that ID or it will place a cookie on your computer that contains the searches (the former is more likely). Assuming ToTV is using Google's ad service (likely) then it will pull that cookie from your computer and feed you an ad relevant to it.

I have not thought about this much, but if you have ever logged in to Google in that browser then Google might know who you are whether you are logged in or not. When you are logged in, Google could place a cookie on the computer with your ID in it. Whenever you access Google again from that browser it could retrieve the cookie and retrieve the ID that it used when you were logged in and know who you are whether you are logged in or not. Maybe I'll look into that sometime.

Really? I had no idea about "cookies"... Are they oatmeal raisin or chocolate chip?

[jebartle]

Originally Posted by shaw8700@outlook.com

Neither of them leads to the truth because they’re not supposed to. You have to decide that for yourself.

Ahhh, there is the answer, YOU, after INVESTIGATING, find a truth, maybe not, but at least your open to FACTS, which is a plus in my book. We have a tendency to look for OUR narrative, right??

[jebartle]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

"What is truth?" (Pontius Pilate)

Un-disputed FACTS

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by jebartle

Un-disputed FACTS

If those facts are undisputed, they have not been checked properly.

[Sandy and Ed]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Yes, but more often than not, you have to delve deep into the search...

A while back, I was looking for a specific video that debunked an often claimed fallacy...

I had to go 10-12 pages deep to find it, even though I put in a specific request. The first 8-9 pages were articles citing the false information...

Google sucks. Bing usually gets me right where I want to go without fighting to get thru the weeds

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by jebartle

Google is our friend, when in doubt "check it out"

The thing to worry about is how much "spin" is produced in the Russian troll farms.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by threeonemiles@outlook.com

Truth is now the new hate speech.

"Truth is now the new hate speech."

Ain't THAT the truth!

...Or, put another way, "Truth is that which serves the ____ ". (You fill in the blank)

Fascinating, the way some people differentiate between Truth (capitalized intentionally) and fact. Truth is defined not necessarily as factual information but often nebulously as "the Greater Good", and all is fair if one sees him/herself as protecting and furthering that Greater Good.

The process is similar in just about all cases: if the facts support Truth, then then the facts are quoted exhaustively. However, if the facts do NOT support Truth, then the opposite is true. The facts have become the enemy of Truth and must be ignored. If those facts cannot be ignored, then the origin of those facts must be discredited by impugning the source. If this is not possible, then the messenger bringing those facts must (figuratively, at least) must be killed.

Some of us see Google of engaging in at least step one of that process. But maybe we should be looking no further than our own back yards.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by jebartle

Un-disputed FACTS

LOL! there are personality type labels for that type of comment

The easiest way to see that there is no such thing as un-disputed facts , is the color of the cloudless midday sky. Most everyone sees blue. . but not everyone. . color blind people see a blue of a different shade/hue, but call it blue after being trained by those who are not color blind.

facts are a human construct, and when humans are involved, they always ph* it up with biases and genetic differences, aka individual perceptions, along with being no different than the animal kingdom of wanting to be the king of the local pack. . .