[Swoop]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I believe that Amazon Prime and Walmart can DELIVER just about anything. They did during the quarantine. The economy was slower, but it continued along. It was safer with less exposure to CV. Florida opened up too soon because of greed for profit over protecting its citizens. The 1st rule of government is NOT to protect the profits - it is to PROTECT the people. That is the point of government because individuals can NOT protect other individuals as well as a regional or federal government can! .......Government 101.

And yet Florida still did better than the states with severe lockdowns like NY, PA, MI, etc. Florida did a better job of protecting the vulnerable while keeping the economy running. Fewer deaths, less damage the the economy. I would say that Florida is one state that got it right...

[MDLNB]

Interesting how a person can talk about how GREAT other countries are and how bad our country is, and yet knows NOTHING other than what he/she reads. Try living in those other countries and when I say that, I mean live WITH the other citizens and see how they really live. Sure, they love their socialism. Why? Because they never knew anything else and wouldn't know what to do without the gov nanny. Just like some on here. Needy folks that THINK they want what's on the other side of the pond.
On the other hand, our poverty rated folks on welfare live as well as the middle class in other countries.
When talking about those dinky little countries in Europe, take into consideration their population before running off at the mouth with verbal diarrhea.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

The delivery drivers, the people working in the warehouse/shipping and the workers loading up the trucks are around their fellow coworkers and they do sometimes have interactions with the public.

Florida was absolutely correct in their approach. They protected their most vulnerable citizens in the LTCs, first and foremost, and then they reopened businesses, government offices and got the kids back to their physical schools. Florida is the gold standard for how things should have been handled.

There are states that have had their kids out of school so long that they aren't even clear where some of their students are anymore. The kids have completely checked out of distance learning and are off doing...whatever....bored kids with nothing to do...do. It's quite the train wreck.

Children are incredibly resilient. This is not meant to be a universal example - but, in 1st grade, I was having trouble relating to, 'Puff and Jane went up the hill-hill'. My parents bought me some comic books and that worked for me. By the end of 1st grade I was reading with the top group (the bluebirds, I think)!

[Gulfcoast]

I've seen estimates that the number of kids who have not attended school AT ALL - distance learning included - since the school shutdowns happened could be as high as 3 million kids. 3 million kids in this country have been out of school for over a year.

Some are working, some are watching younger siblings while their parents work, some are doing who knows what. It's shameful.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

And yet Florida still did better than the states with severe lockdowns like NY, PA, MI, etc. Florida did a better job of protecting the vulnerable while keeping the economy running. Fewer deaths, less damage the the economy. I would say that Florida is one state that got it right...

Not so fast.........sports fans.......data for the last 7 days from CDC CV tracker lists Florida among the top 8 states for NEW CV cases. We are equal to Mi. Greater than both NY and Pa. And Ca. is MUCH less than Florida. Those are the facts and CASES are the leading indicator. Please look them up yourself and do NOT argue with the facts and hopefully, not myself!

[davidkath]

Covid was the biggest fraud perpetrated on mankind!

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Please list the civilized countries we have "bailed out" recently.

Why does it have to be recently? You mean like last week? We can can start with all the wars and conflicts.then we can move to foreign aid.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Why do we blame the bureaucracy when we voted them in and we don't take the time to contemplate what is wrong with our system. For example, in Australia, everyone votes or they get a fine. Start with that! Too many are ethnocentric and assume that the US is PERFECT!

Over here for many that would be like taking the hand out money back. We can’t do that. Some may not get voted back in.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Not so fast.........sports fans.......data for the last 7 days from CDC CV tracker lists Florida among the top 8 states for NEW CV cases. We are equal to Mi. Greater than both NY and Pa. And Ca. is MUCH less than Florida. Those are the facts and CASES are the leading indicator. Please look them up yourself and do NOT argue with the facts and hopefully, not myself!

Florida has been open for a long time. What does the last 7 days have to do with that?!?
FL 35,999 Covid deaths
FL population 21,477,737
NY 52,366 Covid deaths
NY population 19,453,561
PA 26,780 Covid deaths
PA population 12,801,989
MI 19,665 Covid deaths
MI population 9,986,857
Based on the percentage of their population, Florida has done much better that the strict lockdown states.
Sorry just facts...

[tophcfa]

Yes

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Florida has been open for a long time. What does the last 7 days have to do with that?!?
FL 35,999 Covid deaths
FL population 21,477,737
NY 52,366 Covid deaths
NY population 19,453,561
PA 26,780 Covid deaths
PA population 12,801,989
MI 19,665 Covid deaths
MI population 9,986,857
Based on the percentage of their population, Florida has done much better that the strict lockdown states.
Sorry just facts...

Exactly what is that list supposed to show? Based on population? Seriously?

You seem to imply there is a direct correlation between population and COVID deaths, without taking hundreds of other contributing factors into consideration. Like age demographics, poverty, access to healthcare, population density, tourists, international travelers, and on and on.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Florida has been open for a long time. What does the last 7 days have to do with that?!?
FL 35,999 Covid deaths
FL population 21,477,737
NY 52,366 Covid deaths
NY population 19,453,561
PA 26,780 Covid deaths
PA population 12,801,989
MI 19,665 Covid deaths
MI population 9,986,857
Based on the percentage of their population, Florida has done much better that the strict lockdown states.
Sorry just facts...

I couldn't help but notice that you no longer mentioned Ca. As far as which CV statistics are more important - the expression comes to mind, "what past is past and can NOT be controlled, only the future can." At drivers training school you are taught NOT to spend much time looking in the rearview mirror - you control what's in front of you better.

The recent week's CV cases are leading indicators of how each state will probably do in the future. Judging by the cases in those 5 states, hospitals in Fl. and Mi. had better prepare for a greater influx of patients than NY, Pa., and Ca. It also shows that RIGHT NOW as far as CV goes, it would be better to live in NY and Pa than in Fl. And MUCH better in Ca. The CDC puts out those statistics NOT for historical purposes, but as a warning for FUTURE problem areas or hot spots!

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Exactly what is that list supposed to show? Based on population? Seriously?

You seem to imply there is a direct correlation between population and COVID deaths, without taking hundreds of other contributing factors into consideration. Like age demographics, poverty, access to healthcare, population density, tourists, international travelers, and on and on.

I listed the population since Florida is the third most populous state in the nation. I didn’t want small minded people to just look at the total number of deaths when comparing the strict lockdown mandate states to the Covid deaths in Florida...

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Florida has been open for a long time. What does the last 7 days have to do with that?!?
FL 35,999 Covid deaths
FL population 21,477,737
NY 52,366 Covid deaths
NY population 19,453,561
PA 26,780 Covid deaths
PA population 12,801,989
MI 19,665 Covid deaths
MI population 9,986,857
Based on the percentage of their population, Florida has done much better that the strict lockdown states.
Sorry just facts...

Pure rationalization to prove one's original opinion or point of view. Some people think of government as the problem when it mostly is the solution. And we are back to the example of seat belts and the NEED for seat belt MANDATES. Proof positive of what I speak!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Exactly what is that list supposed to show? Based on population? Seriously?

You seem to imply there is a direct correlation between population and COVID deaths, without taking hundreds of other contributing factors into consideration. Like age demographics, poverty, access to healthcare, population density, tourists, international travelers, and on and on.

True that!