Nope.

Over 1/2 MILLION US citizens DIED. That IS significant..... don't you think??????

The Scandanavians PROTECT their borders RIGOROUSLY. So do the Canadians. And REALLY everyone knows this. Do I HAVE to spell it out?

That's JUST not true.

The point is, that in order for the most vulnerable to stay safe, others had to risk getting Covid to keep our food supply going and our health system operational. Thankfully, Covid was not a big issue for most healthy people.

Those that went to work every day - whether they delivered your pizza to you or made sure that your prescriptions got filled or brought your groceries to you for curbside pick up - deserve our appreciation. Without them, things really would have gotten pretty dire for all of us.

Yes, it is true. And, FWIW, most of the people who are opting not to get the vaccine have some first hand experience with COVID. They are making an informed decision based on their own personal risk factors.

The vaccines have had enough documented, adverse side effects to question the wisdom of getting the vaccine if you've already had and recovered from the virus.

I believe that Amazon Prime and Walmart can DELIVER just about anything. They did during the quarantine. The economy was slower, but it continued along. It was safer with less exposure to CV. Florida opened up too soon because of greed for profit over protecting its citizens. The 1st rule of government is NOT to protect the profits - it is to PROTECT the people. That is the point of government because individuals can NOT protect other individuals as well as a regional or federal government can! .......Government 101.

OK, you have made your decision. I wish you well. Good luck.

The delivery drivers, the people working in the warehouse/shipping and the workers loading up the trucks are around their fellow coworkers and they do sometimes have interactions with the public.

Florida was absolutely correct in their approach. They protected their most vulnerable citizens in the LTCs, first and foremost, and then they reopened businesses, government offices and got the kids back to their physical schools. Florida is the gold standard for how things should have been handled.

There are states that have had their kids out of school so long that they aren't even clear where some of their students are anymore. The kids have completely checked out of distance learning and are off doing...whatever....bored kids with nothing to do...do. It's quite the train wreck.

Ever heard of Foreign Aid?
Ever heard of Military Aid? Also known as Security Aid.
Although, you may not feel that they are "civilized countries."

And yet Florida still did better than the states with severe lockdowns like NY, PA, MI, etc. Florida did a better job of protecting the vulnerable while keeping the economy running. Fewer deaths, less damage the the economy. I would say that Florida is one state that got it right...

Interesting how a person can talk about how GREAT other countries are and how bad our country is, and yet knows NOTHING other than what he/she reads. Try living in those other countries and when I say that, I mean live WITH the other citizens and see how they really live. Sure, they love their socialism. Why? Because they never knew anything else and wouldn't know what to do without the gov nanny. Just like some on here. Needy folks that THINK they want what's on the other side of the pond.
On the other hand, our poverty rated folks on welfare live as well as the middle class in other countries.
When talking about those dinky little countries in Europe, take into consideration their population before running off at the mouth with verbal diarrhea.

Children are incredibly resilient. This is not meant to be a universal example - but, in 1st grade, I was having trouble relating to, 'Puff and Jane went up the hill-hill'. My parents bought me some comic books and that worked for me. By the end of 1st grade I was reading with the top group (the bluebirds, I think)!

I've seen estimates that the number of kids who have not attended school AT ALL - distance learning included - since the school shutdowns happened could be as high as 3 million kids. 3 million kids in this country have been out of school for over a year.

Some are working, some are watching younger siblings while their parents work, some are doing who knows what. It's shameful.

Not so fast.........sports fans.......data for the last 7 days from CDC CV tracker lists Florida among the top 8 states for NEW CV cases. We are equal to Mi. Greater than both NY and Pa. And Ca. is MUCH less than Florida. Those are the facts and CASES are the leading indicator. Please look them up yourself and do NOT argue with the facts and hopefully, not myself!

Covid was the biggest fraud perpetrated on mankind!

Why does it have to be recently? You mean like last week? We can can start with all the wars and conflicts.then we can move to foreign aid.

Over here for many that would be like taking the hand out money back. We can’t do that. Some may not get voted back in.

Florida has been open for a long time. What does the last 7 days have to do with that?!?
FL 35,999 Covid deaths
FL population 21,477,737
NY 52,366 Covid deaths
NY population 19,453,561
PA 26,780 Covid deaths
PA population 12,801,989
MI 19,665 Covid deaths
MI population 9,986,857
Based on the percentage of their population, Florida has done much better that the strict lockdown states.
Sorry just facts...

Yes

Exactly what is that list supposed to show? Based on population? Seriously?

You seem to imply there is a direct correlation between population and COVID deaths, without taking hundreds of other contributing factors into consideration. Like age demographics, poverty, access to healthcare, population density, tourists, international travelers, and on and on.

I couldn't help but notice that you no longer mentioned Ca. As far as which CV statistics are more important - the expression comes to mind, "what past is past and can NOT be controlled, only the future can." At drivers training school you are taught NOT to spend much time looking in the rearview mirror - you control what's in front of you better.

The recent week's CV cases are leading indicators of how each state will probably do in the future. Judging by the cases in those 5 states, hospitals in Fl. and Mi. had better prepare for a greater influx of patients than NY, Pa., and Ca. It also shows that RIGHT NOW as far as CV goes, it would be better to live in NY and Pa than in Fl. And MUCH better in Ca. The CDC puts out those statistics NOT for historical purposes, but as a warning for FUTURE problem areas or hot spots!

I listed the population since Florida is the third most populous state in the nation. I didn’t want small minded people to just look at the total number of deaths when comparing the strict lockdown mandate states to the Covid deaths in Florida...

Pure rationalization to prove one's original opinion or point of view. Some people think of government as the problem when it mostly is the solution. And we are back to the example of seat belts and the NEED for seat belt MANDATES. Proof positive of what I speak!

True that!

Check my post, I never mentioned CA...
You stated that FL opened too early. If that were the case, since we have be open longer that the vast majority of states, we would have seen serious repercussions, resulting in soaring death numbers. It never happened!
Meanwhile NY, PA & MI closed their states down, shut business, restricted family gatherings, etc. and they still suffered more Covid deaths per capita than FL...
Those are the actual facts...

then the infection rate would be 100% for anyone how contacted the virus ?

Good reply! :thumbup:

Hmm, interesting. And yet, it seems that someone continuously disparages this country in favor of some other countries he has never visited, saying how bad this country is over and over again. Seems like it is the government that controls the perceived image that other countries get of us.
Seat belts should NEVER have been mandated. Americans can make self preservation decisions for themselves without "mandates" from the gov. Most of us do not NEED babysitters.

Americans have to be able to make decisions for themselves. When the going gets tough we have seen with our own eyes how the government responds. When Covid was at the scariest, government offices and schools shut down leaving private businesses like Publix and Walmart to figure out how to mitigate transmission and serve the public. This is typical government response.

When Congress felt threatened after the Capitol breach, they brought in thousands of National Guard troops, built a fortress around the Capitol and kept themselves safe. In the meantime, average citizens around the country are left to fend for themselves while violent mobs torch and terrorize their cities. And it's still going on. A 9 year old girl in Minneapolis was just shot in the head while she was outside jumping on a trampoline.

We are lucky to live in a state that recognizes the limits of government and values the rights of their citizens to make good decisions for themselves. Law and order is valued here and lawless behavior is not tolerated. We are very lucky.

Very confusing post. On one hand, the post is saying that government is ALL bad, but on the other hand, we need more Police (or other government force) to prevent that little girl from being shot. Make up my mind - more government or no government. To prove which is right I put forth the Seatbelt rule, by which government has saved immense lives and kept hospitals from being overcrowded and saved taxpayer $. And note that it was MANDATE..........a MANDATE AND FREE ENTERPRISE AND THE CAPITALIST SYSTEM WAS NOT HURT IN ANY WAY!!!!!!

Florida is sort of a laughing stock around the US. Late-night TV talks about the "STUPID Florida man". Florida earned that reputation over years of being strange.

I'm sorry to confuse you. The point of government is to work FOR the people, not control the people through excessive mandates.

There is a difference between providing a police force that insures that laws are followed and protects the law abiding citizens in a community and using the police to fine and arrest citizens for daring to open their private businesses or have one too many family members at their Thanksgiving gathering. Government mandates have absolutely hurt this country. You are just lucky to live in a state where sanity has ruled.

Florida got it right. Many states DID NOT.

What about those millions of people who have not developed natural immunity (aka not having had Covid already)? Those are the folks who need to be vaccinated. Why risk having a bad outcome from having the disease? Why risk being asymptomatic and STILL developing unbearable long haul Covid side effects? The idea of SAFE herd immunity is what is needed to fight this invisible enemy.

Thank goodness there were enough people willing to be vaccinated against Small Pox so herd immunity was reached and the disease was eradicated. Thank goodness there were enough people willing to be vaccinated against polio so herd immunity was reached and eradicated the disease. Our society has become a society of _______________ You fill in the blank.

A person with natural immunity does their part to for our country to achieve herd immunity. But......that was a risk to anyone who was willing to contract the disease or was just an unlucky person who contracted the disease or who did not follow guidelines and was unfortunate to have contracted the disease. I'm sure people did not go and and TRY to contract the Covid virus. Well, maybe there were some stupid kids who were having Covid parties to see how many of them would contract the disease. IMHO, that was truly dumb.

Bottom line.....it is much safer to be vaccinated for Covid than to contract the disease.

‘Natural Immunity’ From Covid Is Not Safer Than a Vaccine - The New York Times

The mRNA vaccines continue to give protection against the variants besides the original strain so I'm not sure what you mean here. This article is dated May 14, 2021............

Vaccines seem to work well against Covid variants. It's also complicated

It's their life and their risk to take. Most people are not going to get that sick even if they do catch Covid. The most vulnerable people have a high vaccination rate.

Children are far more at risk from other viruses and bacteria than they are from Covid. Keeping them isolated and "safe" has weakened their immune systems. Pregnant women who have stayed isolated and safe are not able to pass healthy antibodies onto their newborns.

There is more than one side to the coin. Covid is a big deal in nursing homes but not a big deal in elementary schools. The important thing is that the most vulnerable have access to the vaccine. Let those who are less vulnerable figure out if they need this vaccine or not.

Donald Trump and Melania had Covid. They were advised by their doctors to get vaccinated. They had their first shots before they left the White House. It is very prudent to get vaccinated even if you have had Covid.......

When Should You Get Vaccinated if You’ve Had COVID-19? – Health Essentials from Cleveland Clinic

Please give me an example of one adverse side effect. I DO NOT mean the usual side effects such as fever, body aches and generalized flu like symptoms. Tell me about a side effect that is truly adverse.

If you are not in the vulnerable group, why risk being vaccinated and have a potential long term problem?!?...