[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

A newborn infant is not viable on it's own. So your point is moot...

Pretty soon none of us will not be viable on our own.

Watch out for CB & friends.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Does the pregnant woman get to include her fetus as a dependent on her income tax? Does she get child-care credit? Is she charged for one adult and one child ticket when she goes to the movies?

In other words - is that fetus treated like a human in ALL OTHER circumstances, while it's in the womb? No? Then why is it treated like a human when it comes to the female's decision on whether or not it exists?

If you kill a pregnant woman, you're charged with TWO murders...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

So, would you prefer murder be left up to the States? Drug use should be a state decision? How about illegal immigration? I mean why should people in Wisconsin deal with illegal immigration, except maybe from Canada? If we keep going, we don't need a federal government at all, and everyone can just live in a state that does what they want.

Wonder how "United States" fits into that?

We've been told not to discuss (the "Illegal" thingy)... Remember, you asked to be told...

But "undocumented immigrants" are being shipped nationwide (including Wisconsin), so yes, they have to deal with it...

[noslices1]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

So, would you prefer murder be left up to the States? Drug use should be a state decision? How about illegal immigration? I mean why should people in Wisconsin deal with illegal immigration, except maybe from Canada? If we keep going, we don't need a federal government at all, and everyone can just live in a state that does what they want.

Wonder how "United States" fits into that?

As far as immigration is concerned, as you have got off topic a bit, that would be great! Texas and Arizona could totally close their borders and California would increase their population by double. Arizona would probably have to close their border to California also.

[noslices1]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

Love this

Or maybe ask three year old little girls if they would like to be a boy and if YES, sterilize and make them happy

[Madelaine Amee]

Much for the States to consider


Childhood parental sexual assault
Rape by sibling
Rape by adults attached to the family
Gang Rape
Date Rape
Date drug rape
Etc. etc. etc.

Do you think elected officials will be able to come to agreement on these scenarios?

I was one of the lucky women who never had to face any of these, but I can assure you had I ever been raped and impregnated I would never, ever, under any circumstances, have taken that pregnancy to full term.

Like I said "much to consider".

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

If you kill a pregnant woman, you're charged with TWO murders...

Sometimes and some places. Not always.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by noslices1

Or maybe ask three year old little girls if they would like to be a boy and if YES, sterilize and make them happy

That seems pretty off topic.

[ffresh]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

When does it become murder??

Embryo can't survive without help.

Fetus can't survive without help.

Newborn can't survive without help.

Consider:
Persons on a ventilator "can't survive without help"
Persons in a coma "can't survive without help"
Many elderly in a "home" "can't survive without help"
Persons with advanced dimentia "can't survive without help"
Post natal infants "can't survive without help" for _____ (fill in the blank) on the period of time, ad infinitum

It's a non sequitur

Fred

[noslices1]

Sterilize boy babies until they affirm that they will take responsibility for the child? Why not do the same for girl babies? Because, it’s outrageous to even suggest that.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by noslices1

As far as immigration is concerned, as you have got off topic a bit, that would be great! Texas and Arizona could totally close their borders and California would increase their population by double. Arizona would probably have to close their border to California also.

I don't think it was off topic - the poster I replied to was promoting that states should make the decisions, it was a States Rights issue and the Federal Government should stay out because abortion was not mentioned in the Constitution.

My reply was pointing out there are a lot of places where the Fed's provide a baseline law, and states can then "improve" on that law if they want to.

There are many "unenumerated" rights that we enjoy - right to marry, right to marry people of other races. Right to privacy is not mentioned, you want police to be able to break down your door and barge in because they want to, without a warrant?

This opens a real can of worms (as someone pointed out earlier).

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

I've never walked away, so can i say??

Maybe if the women made a better choice in the first place, she would not be considering murder.



(again, ignoring the rape issue)

I would love to see all the men that are against abortion, owning up to their responsibilities and paying a quarter of their salaries in child support. And all the people who insist that these unwanted fetuses be carried to term adopt those children born with severe birth defects and be responsible for their care for many years. While they're at it, they can take over the care of offspring from rape and incest victims. And isn't it interesting that the same people who won't support abortion, also don't want publicly funded health insurance to cover birth control, however its okay for Medicare to cover the generic form of Viagara. And how ironic that these same anti-abortion folks are all in favor of capital punishment.

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

This should be interesting.

It appears you are a bored person who likes to stir things up. Sure explains you living in a place that promotes outside activities yet somehow your claim to fame is almost 7,000 posts from in your home.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

So, you are okay with not having the right to put coffee creamer in your coffee? Or drive a motorcycle?

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

Sure explains you living in a place that promotes outside activities yet somehow your claim to fame is almost 7,000 posts from in your home.

If you made sense, I could reply.