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Old 09-13-2023, 08:44 AM
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Just disregard everything these fools are doing has absolutely no effect on Climate and never will, while we pay up the nose for their "Cult" Ideology!
You don't know that and neither do I, but what is more important saving a couple of bucks or mankind. Looking at the picture you have on your post even if it was proven to you, you wouldn't change your position.
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It's almost like parking in a handicap spot, no shame for these people.
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Old 09-13-2023, 09:02 AM
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[QUOTE=Blackbird45;2256103]These companies are not doing this to save the planet, it’s a lot less expensive to slap a couple of electric motors on the wheels of a car than the cost of a combustion engine and everything that goes with it. Reduce the cost means an increase in profits.

Yep, Just slap the electric motors on the cars and watch the money flow.

Ford supposedly loses $60,000 for each EV sold. And the Government has to even supplement the sales. Where does that money come from?

Ford Loses Nearly $60,000 for Every Electric Vehicle Sold
The legacy carmaker has, for the first time, published its results, distinguishing the activities of electric vehicles from those of gasoline cars. For now, clean cars are a money pit.

thestreet.com.
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You don't know that and neither do I, but what is more important saving a couple of bucks or mankind. Looking at the picture you have on your post even if it was proven to you, you wouldn't change your position.
1. A person has a picture of a roadrunner car on their profile, therefore, if it was proven that internal combustion engines were going to kill off mankind, they wouldn't change their position. That logic is flawless.
2. But if you save a couple of bucks, you could feed the starving. What is more important to you, preventing the world from extinction from starvation or holding on to some political view? (Notice that this choice is every bit as ridiculous as the one that you offered.)
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Old 09-13-2023, 09:06 AM
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Get a Life! Our country has more important issues to deal with like funding the government by paying the bills and protecting our fragile democracy.
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Old 09-13-2023, 09:28 AM
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The optics would have been better if the muck e mucks staffer would have been driving an EV.

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Old 09-13-2023, 11:21 AM
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Granholm lacks commonsense, she was probably dumbest Gov Michigan ever had and we couldn’t wait to get rid of her and her bad policies. And obviously she hasn’t changed. When will she accept the fact people don’t want EV cars they aren’t practical or affordable. People want to get where they’re going fast not hang out at a charging station for hours. So many middle class people are struggling to put food on the table to feed their families….. they won’t be buying EV cars anytime soon or not at all.
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Old 09-13-2023, 11:33 AM
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Granholm lacks commonsense, she was probably dumbest Gov Michigan ever had and we couldn’t wait to get rid of her and her bad policies. And obviously she hasn’t changed. When will she accept the fact people don’t want EV cars they aren’t practical or affordable. People want to get where they’re going fast not hang out at a charging station for hours. So many middle class people are struggling to put food on the table to feed their families….. they won’t be buying EV cars anytime soon or not at all.
Many people will not be able to afford an EV unless China is allowed to flood the market.

IAA Mobility: China's automakers take the world by storm with EV push | CNN Business
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Old 09-13-2023, 11:34 AM
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She helped me know why I would never want an EV. 45 minute charge, once you find a charging station, plus the cost of charging.
Oh boy! 30,000 more charging stations! Next maybe they will figure out where all electricity is coming from. Maybe we could get some from LA or San Francisco in the middle of summer! What does a brown out on a charging station look like?
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Old 09-13-2023, 12:00 PM
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I do not understand why people are so upset about $5.00 a gallon gasoline. If the price really bothers you, buy a Tesla. If they can not afford one, they shouldn't be driving. That being said, I understand how it feels to be running low on battery charge. One time I was teaching the Dalai Lama how to meditate when I got a call from someone. The cat was missing and so are the batteries. Yeah, for real. This is real no joke. Nap time.
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1. A person has a picture of a roadrunner car on their profile, therefore, if it was proven that internal combustion engines were going to kill off mankind, they wouldn't change their position. That logic is flawless.
2. But if you save a couple of bucks, you could feed the starving. What is more important to you, preventing the world from extinction from starvation or holding on to some political view? (Notice that this choice is every bit as ridiculous as the one that you offered.)
No what I'm stating is you love your toy it wouldn't matter if you were wrong about climate change. Some people put pictures of themselves, children, grandchildren, even comical figures. You obviously have posted a picture of you first love and if polluting the air is a result well that life.
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Old 09-13-2023, 12:09 PM
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I do not understand why people are so upset about $5.00 a gallon gasoline. If the price really bothers you, buy a Tesla. If they can not afford one, they shouldn't be driving. That being said, I understand how it feels to be running low on battery charge. One time I was teaching the Dalai Lama how to meditate when I got a call from someone. The cat was missing and so are the batteries. Yeah, for real. This is real no joke. Nap time.
I might spend the next few days trying to ascertain the meaning of this post. I know I have seen you name, but don't recall your previous posts. So, I am not sure which part of this you are poking fun at, or maybe everyone in the thread?
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Old 09-13-2023, 12:24 PM
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No what I'm stating is you love your toy it wouldn't matter if you were wrong about climate change. Some people put pictures of themselves, children, grandchildren, even comical figures. You obviously have posted a picture of you first love and if polluting the air is a result well that life.
I kind of get what you are tying to say, but still think I disagree with your premise.
1. If someone posts a picture of their Grandchild, does that mean that is their first love or they love them more than their wife or their children? Lots of reasons to post that as a pic rather than something else without it being "obviously his first love". So, I still assert that point isn't logical.
2. I think you nailed it without even knowing you did, while making an invalid assumption. The invalid assumption was that IF you were wrong about climate change and it was proven, you wouldn't care or change. I don't think that is a reasonable conclusion from the info you have (a charger as a profile pic). The point that you nailed was IF HE WAS WRONG ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE. That's just it. No one really knows (please do not quote the invalid 99% of scientists thing). Lots of people want to create hardships for others (higher taxes, prohibiting this or that, 45 minute charges every x miles rather than 5 minute fill up, etc) without proof of the actual effects of the things they are blaming on the climate or what the results of the proposed changes will be. Ask any expert what the impact of the U.S. completely eliminating internal combustion engines would be, and they cannot give you an answer. Many of us like to deal in facts. We have heard these dire warnings for 40 or more years, and none of them have actually occurred. So, pardon us if we don't want to radically change things based purely on supposition.
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I wonder how much this propagandistic charade cost us taxpayers? How many gas guzzling SUVs were escorting the EV? How many salaried personnel were involved? Were other EVs making the trip as well? How did they all get back to where they came from? Drive? Fly? How much were the hotel and restaurant bills?
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I am really curious. Do all of you who are posting about climate change caused by fossil fuels drive electric golf carts? If not, why not?
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