[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I didn't know that "black people being *shot* by white police" was the issue, so much as black people being chased, shot, tazed, accused, jailed, charged, beat up, battered, physically assaulted by white police, more than white people who were under suspicion of the same crimes.

That’s it exactly. And there are many studies showing black people are anywhere from three to eight times more likely to be shot during a police encounter than white people. Why anyone would try to infer the opposite in the face of facts is just another instance of systemic racism in this country.

[Warren]

Why is it that "Black Lives Matter" only when white police are involved in an incident? Don't they matter when a black on black incidents occur? What about the little black girl shot in Chicago a few weeks ago? Who speaks up for her? Her death was just incidental to the bigger story of another weekend of gang violence. Why is it that most of the sensationalized incidents occur with individuals who have been in trouble before and are resisting the authorities?

[WesMan]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

All people are chased, tased, and shot when they don’t obey the law and try to injury police officers. Obey commands to live another day, disobey and put yourself in danger. When you fill the shoes of police officers and being shot at often you tend to be jumpy trying to stay alive. This happens daily in some crime ridden cities.

Correct!!!!!!!!!

[llewopyaj]

Let's acknowledge that there needs to be a constant heightened awareness that there is an appropriate way to treat suspects in stopping, chasing, questioning, and arresting them. No stereotyping by race, ethnicity, or looks. Even though a suspect's behavior may be undesirable and suspicious in nature, a suspect should be treated in a authoritative humane civil manner. The police need to maintain control of the situation with humanity and dignity. No short order. A high duty and responsibility.
Proper, thorough vetting recruits, training, evaluation, and retention of officers needs to be done in a way to best ensure that racial bias and inappropriate behavior does not appear in officers. And, when all is said and done, there needs to be a realization that bad things happen, especially in the heat of the moment, and not to throw out the proverbial baby with the dirty bath water. Rioting, defunding the police, and lawlessness certainly are not justified in any way; they are counterproductive and destructive.

[Bay Kid]

Could it be that more blacks commit crimes, then resist arrest?

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I didn't know that "black people being *shot* by white police" was the issue, so much as black people being chased, shot, tazed, accused, jailed, charged, beat up, battered, physically assaulted by white police, more than white people who were under suspicion of the same crimes.

What you said appears to be the common thought among CERTAIN GROUPS but if you watch Orlando's evening news consistently, it is obvious what is really happening.

Or if you watch Cincinnati's evening news, as we did for a very long time it was obvious as well. Cincinnati used to publish once a year in our Newspaper pictures of all people murdered and it was a shock.

Many people are not racist in the fact that they try very hard NOT to attribute certain negative events to groups of people.

When it is brought to the attention in a public way of the high rate of crime among certain groups, there are many who explain that poverty is a contributing factor, also that some groups do not have the opportunity for good jobs that others have. And certain groups have had a history going back well over a hundred years of terribly unfair and inhumane treatment.

I try very hard to be fair but now I hear some local campaign speeches by the person who seems to be another Aramis Ayala who is berating the well connected wealthy people as if it is a crime to be financially successful.

I have never been other than white, but I have been poor. I have only lived where there was no segregation for most of my life. There was no people who were Indian or Asian that I knew in school and only five black students in our graduating class of 366.

I think that many of us have gone over and over in our minds if we are racist after the huge propaganda campaign BLM. It doesn't ring true to me that police forces are unfairly singling out black people. It appears they are following people a lot who leave known high drug areas and may stop them on a non working tail light, but I don't think they target people in cars in the dark whose color is not visible. Not most of the police officers. This whole new defunding the police seems to me to be some sort of retaliation against police by people who have been in trouble with the law.

[UseYourBrain]

This would be more convincing As a race issue if it included whether they were resisting arrest. Maybe THAT is the issue and not race. A better statistic that might point to race being a factor is how many are shot that aren’t resisting. But the media is cherry picking “facts” to support a narrative

[mamamia54]

I have never heard of anyone , any color, who didn’t resist arrest being tased, beat, etc. If you are being arrested and are resisting a fighting, that’s another story. Certain drugs in the system can make even the smallest woman like Superman. What should the officers do, ask to sing Kumbaya. It is getting harder and harder for police to do their jobs. Most people won’t care, might even be glad. This will affect all of us, not just criminals. We all might have to have encounters with police officers not only for criminal reasons. When they are defunded and don’t show up to help maybe a little Kumbaya might. Also, if you haven’t been in a police officers shoes, don’t talk like they fit you!

[nick demis]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I didn't know that "black people being *shot* by white police" was the issue, so much as black people being chased, shot, tazed, accused, jailed, charged, beat up, battered, physically assaulted by white police, more than white people who were under suspicion of the same crimes.

Change the phrase "black people being chased----" to "poverty stricken and criminals --" and from" white police" to "police'". Do you realize that most of these problems are in regions that "white police are less than 50% of the police force.
Stop spreading a biased narrative and start working to help this great country heal.

[LG999]

Bingo

[toeser]

Originally Posted by John41

The media has been portraying white police officers as having a bullseye on the black population. Here are the facts you will never here from the media.

Credit: CC0 Public Domain
Reports of racially motivated, fatal shootings by police officers have garnered extensive public attention and sparked activism across the nation. New research from Michigan State University and University of Maryland reveals findings that flip many of these reports on their heads—white police officers are not more likely to shoot minorities citizens than non-white officers.


"Until now, there's never been a systematic, nationwide study to determine the characteristics of police involved in fatal officer-involved shootings," said Joseph Cesario, co-author and professor of psychology at MSU. "There are so many examples of people saying that when black citizens are shot by police, it's white officers shooting them. In fact, our findings show no support for the idea that white officers are biased in shooting black citizens."

The findings—published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, or PNAS - are based on an independent database Cesario and his team created that catalogued each police shooting from 2015. The team—led also by co-author David Johnson from University of Maryland—contacted every police department that had a fatal police shooting to get the race, sex and years of experience for every officer involved in each incident. The team also leveraged data from police shooting databases by The Washington Post and The Guardian.

"We found that the race of the officer doesn't matter when it comes to predicting whether black or white citizens are shot,"

Following is a link to ABC's coverage of this.

In fatal police shootings, race of officer not predictive of civilian'''s race: Study - ABC News

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Warren

Why is it that "Black Lives Matter" only when white police are involved in an incident? Don't they matter when a black on black incidents occur? What about the little black girl shot in Chicago a few weeks ago? Who speaks up for her? Her death was just incidental to the bigger story of another weekend of gang violence. Why is it that most of the sensationalized incidents occur with individuals who have been in trouble before and are resisting the authorities?

They do matter. And until everyone is on board with that fact, "all" lives will not yet matter.

[nick demis]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Meanwhile, here's another report, also from a university. It's not exclusively about white cops shooting black criminals.

It's about the use of force by police, use of force policies, and basic human rights, and how police departments are really screwing it up.

https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/...4&context=ihrc

Warning - it's an actual report, not just a 4-paragraph article about a report. It's 100 pages long. A good read though. With real facts and everything.

Now you are using a Chicago based report where the murder and shooting rate is worse than most terrorist countries?

[Eg_cruz]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I didn't know that "black people being *shot* by white police" was the issue, so much as black people being chased, shot, tazed, accused, jailed, charged, beat up, battered, physically assaulted by white police, more than white people who were under suspicion of the same crimes.

Can you tell me the difference between...beat-up, physically assaulted and battered. You list all three as if they are three different issues.
FYI the issue in US (all the riots and looting) is blacks being “killed” by white officers.

[Byte1]

I wonder what the stats are on the race of the shooter in most COPs shot every year.

According to the FBI, about half the COPs killed in recent years have been by black suspects. Hmmm, considering that America is populated about 13.4% by black Americans, that seems like a very large ratio. If black suspects are more apt to kill police than white suspects, it seems logical to think that the police would be a bit leery when interacting with black suspects. Oh, and in most years (other than 2019) 100% of the COP killings were perpetrated by males. In 2019 one killing was by a female.