[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by sharonl7340

Really? I worked for 4 federal agencies in my career and I knew very few of these people (if any). In fact I knew several employees who worked their asses off, and either died at their desk or on the weekend when they weren't on the federal clock. I actually take a offense at many of these posts tone. I earned every dollar, every benefit while I was a federal employee.

40 years here, I seen it all. Glad to here you was honorable federal employee.

The 30/70 precent rule. GS employees can be on flex time. They can come an go when ever they want most days as long as the clock 8 hours on the honor system. WG employees are on clock down to minute. Which means, no coming late, breaks controlled to minute, no long lunch. No leaving end day till the exact time off clock.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by J1ceasar

1% also pay 35% of ALL income taxes . Top 5% - 50% . Don't complain..

Yes, and it takes army of lawyers to pay less than there secretary :duck.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Maryland Girl

Evanston, Ilinois, unless they have changed it back already. Google? Please.

They cancelled the July 4 celebration because of COVID-19 concerns; it is typically expected to get a whole lot of dense volume of people all packed together with no room for social distancing even among people who want it.

Pride and Juneteenth attract much lower volume of people to each, with much more room for social distancing for anyone who wants it.

It's a practical thing, not a political thing. Well except for people who are looking for an excuse to rage against certain political ideology and use this as an excuse.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

I told my children to get a government job. Tons of paid holidays, slick leave, regular leave and you don't have to work very hard. Easy living.

Depends if you in the 30% or the 70%. You don’t want to be in the 30% if you’re a slacker.

[sail33or]

I am a lifelong Texan. We always had a BBQ on June 19th because all the Black Families did. We all got along and everybody enjoyed this day. It was very similar to Cinco De Mayo where we all had Mexican Food and had parties with Sombreros.

But I can tell you most Black Families did NOT know the significance of June 19th just like the Mexican Families could not tell you what happened on May 5th (Can you) It is NOT Mexican Independence Day.

And one more hugely IRONIC twist. I am going to say this as delicate as possible. No I will let you guess. Why do you think they say "JUNETEENTH" in the first place? We all joked about this along with our Black Co-Workers, etc. but now to say it out loud will bring the Politically Correct Police and anger the agenda driven folks.

It is the timing of the designation. Why now? We know why?

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by sharonl7340

Really? I worked for 4 federal agencies in my career and I knew very few of these people (if any). In fact I knew several employees who worked their asses off, and either died at their desk or on the weekend when they weren't on the federal clock. I actually take a offense at many of these posts tone. I earned every dollar, every benefit while I was a federal employee.

Really? Public employees are paid more on average than private workers. They also have better benefits both during work and afterwards during retirement. Government doesn't really worry about a budget so public jobs are typically overpaid and over-staffed. The risk of getting fired in the public sector is miniscule compared to the private sector.

Public unions (which should be outlawed, IMO) have taken advantage of no real entity with actual skin in the game on the other side of the negotiating table. All one has to do is look at the abhorrent behavior of the majority of the teacher's unions during the pandemic. They kept their teachers from working while never missing a pay check. Then, much of the stimulus money went to pay bonuses.

[Irishmen]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

They cancelled the July 4 celebration because of COVID-19 concerns; it is typically expected to get a whole lot of dense volume of people all packed together with no room for social distancing even among people who want it.

Pride and Juneteenth attract much lower volume of people to each, with much more room for social distancing for anyone who wants it.

It's a practical thing, not a political thing. Well except for people who are looking for an excuse to rage against certain political ideology and use this as an excuse.

LOL practical thing.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by sail33or

I am a lifelong Texan. We always had a BBQ on June 19th because all the Black Families did. We all got along and everybody enjoyed this day. It was very similar to Cinco De Mayo where we all had Mexican Food and had parties with Sombreros.

But I can tell you most Black Families did NOT know the significance of June 19th just like the Mexican Families could not tell you what happened on May 5th (Can you) It is NOT Mexican Independence Day.

And one more hugely IRONIC twist. I am going to say this as delicate as possible. No I will let you guess. Why do you think they say "JUNETEENTH" in the first place? We all joked about this along with our Black Co-Workers, etc. but now to say it out loud will bring the Politically Correct Police and anger the agenda driven folks.

It is the timing of the designation. Why now? We know why?

I always understood Juneteenth represented the words June 19th. Which is the day the Union Army came to Texas to the last holdout of slavery after the Civil war and emancipated the blacks still being held as slaves there.

You can assume any meaning you want to - that is called freedom, but your assumptions don't make for facts.

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

They always get a day off for a holiday that occurs on a weekend. It is either a Friday or a Monday.

13 days of sick leave per year may not sound like a lot, but it can be accululated over the years. So, if you are a supervisor of long term employees, many of the employees will have the option of using an entire year of accumulated sick leave and be absent from the job any time they want. They can even use it to care for another person they know. There are many Federal employees in their 60s, 70s, and 80s, who almost never show up for work. A "for profit" business could never operate with those rules.

not true. you would have to show proof via doctor's certificate of need to be off that long. while some people take their sick hours as soon as they accumulate, most don't. I have never seen these Federal employees that "don't show up for work". most keep their sick hours high in case they are needed. It may have changed, but when I worked for the Federal govt. I had to use sick leave for my maternity leave and that wiped out most of my hours. also, if you don't use them, when you retire you do get credit for the amount you have, so most savvy people keep as much as they can. Yes, your sick leave can be used for family care, i.e. the need to care for sick child, dying parent, a number of things but doesn't change the fact you are using the hours you accrued and should something happen to you in the future you may not have enough hours. I saw that a lot. One of my co-workers sons sustained brain injury and she blew threw her hours fast. we were allowed to donate sick hours to people in her position and we did. Many people chose to work in the government for the benefits. at one time, I could have made $35,000 more in the private sector and was called a moron for working for the govt. then the economy tanked, and I was called a parasite contributing to the debt.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

not true. you would have to show proof via doctor's certificate of need to be off that long. while some people take their sick hours as soon as they accumulate, most don't. I have never seen these Federal employees that "don't show up for work". most keep their sick hours high in case they are needed. It may have changed, but when I worked for the Federal govt. I had to use sick leave for my maternity leave and that wiped out most of my hours. also, if you don't use them, when you retire you do get credit for the amount you have, so most savvy people keep as much as they can. Yes, your sick leave can be used for family care, i.e. the need to care for sick child, dying parent, a number of things but doesn't change the fact you are using the hours you accrued and should something happen to you in the future you may not have enough hours. I saw that a lot. One of my co-workers sons sustained brain injury and she blew threw her hours fast. we were allowed to donate sick hours to people in her position and we did. Many people chose to work in the government for the benefits. at one time, I could have made $35,000 more in the private sector and was called a moron for working for the govt. then the economy tanked, and I was called a parasite contributing to the debt.

You are right, but wasting your time here. People here hear ONE story about an employee that supporters their position that government employees are lazy and get away with whatever, and that confirms their views. So, it becomes a mantra to be repeated. The same as the claim that people are buying lobster with food stamps - sure one or even a few did, the other 38 million people didn't, but that doesn't stop the hair fire about all the people doing it. It's a thing - find ONE case of something bad, and rant about how the entire thing is bad.

Liberals are guilty of this too - look at Jan 6th - not all Republicans supported that, but liberals tend to blame them all.

It's like high school pep rallies, screaming and ranting on the other school. I thought by the time people retired they could grow up.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by lkagele

Really? Public employees are paid more on average than private workers. They also have better benefits both during work and afterwards during retirement. Government doesn't really worry about a budget so public jobs are typically overpaid and over-staffed. The risk of getting fired in the public sector is miniscule compared to the private sector.

Public unions (which should be outlawed, IMO) have taken advantage of no real entity with actual skin in the game on the other side of the negotiating table. All one has to do is look at the abhorrent behavior of the majority of the teacher's unions during the pandemic. They kept their teachers from working while never missing a pay check. Then, much of the stimulus money went to pay bonuses.

Have you ever worked for the Govt or are you just regurgitating what you heard on the television?

I have worked for the Govt and in the same field in private industry. I had better pay and comparable benefits *outside* the Govt. Some parts of the Govt still have retirements plans but they are rarely offered in private industry any more - yes, something beats nothing any day.

[Smalley]

The holiday is great but they should have canceled another day off to keep holidays from adding up. So many workers do NOT get these days off and have to pay for the federal, state workers who don't work and still get paid.

[Sharon Duemler]

Originally Posted by dnptrll

A radio announcer said yesterday that the addition of Juneteenth as a paid Federal Holiday makes a total of 48/year. That means that Federal employees get a total of over 9 weeks of paid holidays every year. Can that be correct?

I was a Government employee for many years and NEVER had 48 paid holidays. As far as I can remember we celebrated New Year’s Day, Martin Luther King, President’s Day, Memorial Day, Independence Day, Labor Day, Columbus Day, Veterans Day, Thanksgiving and Christmas. When we were stationed in DC, Inauguration Day was also a holiday because every street in DC was closed for security. That’s 11. A far cry from 48. Just wanted to set the record straight.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by geltner@verizon.net

The holiday is great but they should have canceled another day off to keep holidays from adding up. So many workers do NOT get these days off and have to pay for the federal, state workers who don't work and still get paid.

Okay, let's see if I got this right:

There are about 153 million taxpayers in the US.

The total Federal Government payroll is about $135 billion dollars annually.

That means $135,000,000,000 / 153,000,000 is about $888 (on average) per tax payer.

I am suffering over this extreme taxation, $888 of an average of $25,000, of my hard-earned income to pay for those Federal employees. So, about $3/day off is billed to the average taxpayer.

I would appreciate if anyone can point out my error here? Doesn't seem like something to get excited about considering all the actual waste in the Federal Government.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Yes, and it takes army of lawyers to pay less than there secretary :duck.

Where secretary?