[retiredguy123]

They just issued a 77-page report on the Uvalde school shooting citing "systemic failures". I think it could have been a one-page report saying that the armed police officers on the scene didn't enter the classroom and shoot the suspect because they were afraid of getting shot themselves.

[Stu from NYC]

I do not know if the guy in charge of the police was afraid but disgraceful that they sat outside while children were murdered.

[Taltarzac725]

Nearly 400 officers were at Uvalde school as police waited to confront gunman, report says - OPB

Very tragic all around. Probably not for Texas tort lawyers though. Maybe they will clean up their act though after this.

[jswirs]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

They just issued a 77-page report on the Uvalde school shooting citing "systemic failures". I think it could have been a one-page report saying that the armed police officers on the scene didn't enter the classroom and shoot the suspect because they were afraid of getting shot themselves.

I truly do not know how those "trained" police can live with themselves. But I bet they can find some sort of an excuse for their lack of action.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by jswirs

I truly do not know how those "trained" police can live with themselves. But I bet they can find some sort of an excuse for their lack of action.

The bulk of the officers were waiting on their commanding officers so not sure that all share in the blame. However the leadership should be looking for new jobs where their cowardice would not be an issue

[RedChariot]

Each and every officer should be fired and lose their pensions. Those deemed in charge should face legal discipline. All should be open to a civil lawsuit. Babies are dead because they were cowards. They took an oath to keep the public safe. Dereliction of duty.

[Tvflguy]

Originally Posted by jswirs

I truly do not know how those "trained" police can live with themselves. But I bet they can find some sort of an excuse for their lack of action.

So agree. I am a law enforcement supporter but when they go wrong or as in this incident it’s horrendous.

So many of them simply cowered in that hallway. What was especially cowardice was some of them running back to THEIR safety after apparent gunfire by the bad guy out the rooms door. It is simply astounding how they did not try the classroom door. Reports show it was probably unlocked. Cowards. That one officer who ran back and asked “am I bleeding???” Please. Do your job.

But the worst of it all was holding the parents back outside showing no mercy. Then the lies to the TX governor. On and on…

Yes they will have to live with it. But those poor parents and friends…. My heart goes out. No words. Simply awful. And we in the USA had better learn something from this.

[Sarah_W]

ALERRT is the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training center in Texas. They provide various training to Law Enforcement personnel. Their report on the responding officers actions is very telling. The report can be downloaded here: Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training:
Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training

The most horrifying issue to me, is after Ramos crashed the pickup he was driving two employees from a Funeral Home began walking toward him to offer assistance. He began shooting at them and they fled. An officer witnessed this, stopped his vehicle and with his own AR had Ramos in his sights. The officer then called his supervisor for permission to take the shot. He knew Ramos was dangerous and he knew that Ramos was walking across a field toward the school carrying a rifle. He asked a second time for permission but Ramos reached the unlocked door of the school. That officer could have ended this tragic event at the beginning.

Officers entered the school within 3 minutes of Ramos entering the school and failed to press into the classroom and engage the shooter. Instead Ramos was left unchecked for 77 minutes. Precious time that would have saved many of the lives of those who bled out during that time, including the children who were still alive dialing 911 and the teacher who was wounded and dialed 911. Had medical help been available in those early minutes the death toll would have been much less.

The interim report from the Texas House of Representatives investigation can be found here: https://static.texastribune.org/medi...0Committee.pdf

I'm a professional firearms instructor and teach people to be competent with their firearm, as in accurate and fast.

It is grossly apparent to me in watching the video of the conduct in the hallway that the responding officers were totally not trained for this. Anyone stepping into that hallway would be afraid. The brave person can push through the fear and with the confidence of their training, get the job done. The coward stays in the hallway while children bleed out.

There are practical solutions that will stop so many of these mass shootings if our society will just implement them. The same goes for the daily killings in cities like Chicago, St. Louis, Baltimore, etc.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by RedChariot

Each and every officer should be fired and lose their pensions. Those deemed in charge should face legal discipline. All should be open to a civil lawsuit. Babies are dead because they were cowards. They took an oath to keep the public safe. Dereliction of duty.

So much for the whole Texas "right to life" agenda. One man shot many already-born children and 400 police officers didn't intervene. Maybe if it was a woman shooter it would've gone differently. Then again - when was the last time a woman committed a mass shooting at a school? Hm.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Sarah_W

ALERRT is the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training center in Texas. They provide various training to Law Enforcement personnel. Their report on the responding officers actions is very telling. The report can be downloaded here: Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training:
Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training

The most horrifying issue to me, is after Ramos crashed the pickup he was driving two employees from a Funeral Home began walking toward him to offer assistance. He began shooting at them and they fled. An officer witnessed this, stopped his vehicle and with his own AR had Ramos in his sights. The officer then called his supervisor for permission to take the shot. He knew Ramos was dangerous and he knew that Ramos was walking across a field toward the school carrying a rifle. He asked a second time for permission but Ramos reached the unlocked door of the school. That officer could have ended this tragic event at the beginning.

Officers entered the school within 3 minutes of Ramos entering the school and failed to press into the classroom and engage the shooter. Instead Ramos was left unchecked for 77 minutes. Precious time that would have saved many of the lives of those who bled out during that time, including the children who were still alive dialing 911 and the teacher who was wounded and dialed 911. Had medical help been available in those early minutes the death toll would have been much less.

The interim report from the Texas House of Representatives investigation can be found here: https://static.texastribune.org/medi...0Committee.pdf

I'm a professional firearms instructor and teach people to be competent with their firearm, as in accurate and fast.

It is grossly apparent to me in watching the video of the conduct in the hallway that the responding officers were totally not trained for this. Anyone stepping into that hallway would be afraid. The brave person can push through the fear and with the confidence of their training, get the job done. The coward stays in the hallway while children bleed out.

There are practical solutions that will stop so many of these mass shootings if our society will just implement them. The same goes for the daily killings in cities like Chicago, St. Louis, Baltimore, etc.

Thank you for sharing your knowledge

[John Mayes]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

So much for the whole Texas "right to life" agenda. One man shot many already-born children and 400 police officers didn't intervene. Maybe if it was a woman shooter it would've gone differently. Then again - when was the last time a woman committed a mass shooting at a school? Hm.

The conflation and odd supposition is pretty sad.

[Michael G.]

Originally Posted by RedChariot

Each and every officer should be fired and lose their pensions. Those deemed in charge should face legal discipline. All should be open to a civil lawsuit. Babies are dead because they were cowards. They took an oath to keep the public safe. Dereliction of duty.

My wife said the same thing.

Texas always does things in a big way.
400 officers standing around is doing nothing in a big way with their large fingers up their @ss.

I do respect the jobs they do BUT, 400 Officers?????

Nice going Tex-as.

What a black mark for the state and nation.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by John Mayes

The conflation and odd supposition is pretty sad.

How is it a conflation? Either LIFE is precious or it isn't.

The supposition is a bit of a stretch I will agree.

[Kenswing]

Then you have a normal citizen that takes action. Maybe Uvalde PD should hire this guy.

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[MartinSE]

My wife just pointed out that Beau of the 5th Column, on Youtube, did a piece this, and pointed out that the Supreme Court has as far back as 1981 ruled that the police have no obligation or legal responsibility to PROTECT people. The only legal obligation is to arrest them. If this is true, then the chances are that nothing can be done (like suing the officers). They according to this are not required to do anything to protect people. So much for the Protect and Defend on police cars.