[Laraine]

The Case Against Cannabis
A journalist’s pursuit of the truth about marijuana, mental illness and violence.
By The Marshall Project

Alex Berenson is probably best known as the author of the John Wells espionage thrillers, 11 of them so far, but until 2010 he was a reporter, including for 11 years at The New York Times, where his assignments ranged from the pharmaceutical industry to Hurricane Katrina.

He did two reporting tours in Iraq. That battleground may seem relatively tame compared to the response when his new book goes on sale.

“Tell Your Children: The Truth About Marijuana, Mental Illness, and Violence” is an intensively researched and passionate dissent from the now prevailing view that marijuana is relatively harmless. The book is a “bullhorn” (his word) for scientists and physicians whose research has, he argues, been drowned out by the triumphal cheers of the marijuana lobby.

He exchanged emails with TMP’s Bill Keller.

The Marshall Project: Alex, you’re really swimming against the tide. Both public opinion and the law have moved dramatically in favor of marijuana, and you’re arguing that pot is connected to psychosis and violent crime. Before we get to your evidence, what drew you to this subject?

Alex Berenson: My wife Jacqueline is a forensic psychiatrist. She evaluates the criminally mentally ill. She told me that nearly all her patients had used marijuana heavily, many at the times of their crimes. At first I didn't really believe her—stupidly—but she encouraged me to evaluate the evidence myself. And the more I read, the more I realized she was right. Marijuana drives a surprising amount of psychosis, and psychosis—besides being a terrible burden for sufferers and their families—is a shockingly high risk for violent crime.

TMP: Last I checked, 33 states and the District of Columbia had legalized marijuana specifically for medicinal purposes. Doctors are apparently prescribing pot for pain, Parkinson’s, PTSD, epilepsy, multiple sclerosis and most recently some forms of autism. Pot has been held out as an answer to the opioid crisis—pain relief without the risk of a lethal overdose. Are you saying all these politicians and doctors are deluded?

AB: This question fundamentally misunderstands medical marijuana. The confusion is not surprising, as the cannabis advocacy community has done everything possible to confuse the way medical legalization works in practice. Marijuana is not "prescribed" for anything. It can't be, because the FDA has never approved it to treat any disease, and there is little evidence that smoked cannabis or THC extracts help any of the diseases you mention, except pain. Physicians "authorize" its use, usually after very short visits by patients who have come to them specifically to receive an authorization card. By far the most common conditions for which medical marijuana is authorized are pain and self-reported psychiatric conditions such as anxiety and insomnia, not diseases such as Parkinson's.

After receiving an authorization card, "patients" can then buy as much marijuana as they like for a year for any reason they choose. Nearly all were recreational users before they became "patients." And there is no difference between medical and recreational marijuana. They are the same drug. Further, the vast majority of physicians will not write authorizations, at least according to the states that keep track of physician authorizations. A tiny number of doctors—so-called "pot doctors"—write nearly all of them.

In other words, in nearly all cases, medical legalization is simply a backdoor way to protect recreational users from arrest. This has been a terrible mistake, mainly because it has further confused the public about marijuana's relative risks and benefits.

TMP: Your other—perhaps more contentious—conclusion is that marijuana may contribute to increases in violent crime. As you know, establishing causal links between crime rates and, well, anything, is extremely tricky. What convinced you that pot is a culprit?

AB: Psychosis is a known factor for violent crime. People with schizophrenia commit violent crime at rates far higher than healthy people - their homicide rates are about 20 times as high. Worse, they commit most of that crime while they are under the influence. Since cannabis causes paranoia—not even advocates dispute that fact—and psychosis, it is not surprising that it would drive violent crime. And in fact there are a number of good studies showing that users have significantly higher violence rates than non-users. Further, in researching the book, I found many, many cases where the causation appeared clear. In some cases it was as simple and obvious as, this person—with no history of violence—smoked, became psychotic, and committed a homicide.

TMP: You write that you don’t believe people should go to prison for using marijuana. How should the law deal with pot? Should it be regulated? Should it carry a warning label?

AB: We need to spend a lot of money warning people—especially young people—about these risks. We've successfully driven down tobacco use. We can do the same with marijuana use. I don't favor full legalization because that creates an industry with a financial interest in low taxes and increasing use. Decriminalization is a reasonable compromise.

TMP: In your Times op-ed, you suggest that the ominous scholarly findings have been ignored thanks to legalization advocates and the private cannabis industry. Is it just that they made a more convincing argument, that they were louder, or is something else going on?

AB: Linking legalization to medical use was a brilliant decision. No one wants to deny terminal cancer patients or people with AIDS a medicine that might help them. They were also supported by a lot of people in the elite media who became convinced by the social and racial justice arguments and didn't do the work necessary to understand the science and health risks.

TMP: You refer to the social and racial justice arguments. You agree that there are real racial disparities in the treatment of drugs, including marijuana? How do they figure in the larger debate about legalization?

AB: I do. But legalizing marijuana will not solve those disparities—they are related to much broader criminal justice and social issues. In fact, not so long ago, many black and Hispanic leaders strongly opposed legalization, because they saw the way Big Tobacco and Big Alcohol targeted poor and minority communities. And support for legalization is still lower among African-Americans and Hispanics than whites.

TMP: You chose as the title of your book “Tell Your Children”—which was the original title of “Reefer Madness,” the comically alarmist 1930’s anti-marijuana propaganda film. Why?

AB: I expected I would face serious backlash for this book and instead of running from it I decided to lean in. As far as I'm concerned, I'm a journalist, not an advocate—I'm just the messenger for a bunch of scientists and physicians who are too busy researching and helping patients to waste time on talk shows—but I knew how the book would be received.

TMP: Malcolm Gladwell, a pretty good guide to the zeitgeist, calls your book a "worst-case scenario," but seems to agree with you that benign view of pot has been greatly oversold. He says the best-case scenario is that we muddle through, adapting to marijuana as we have to the "once extraordinarily lethal innovation of the automobile." Your thoughts?

AB: I really liked Gladwell's piece. I don't think I'm presenting a "worst-case scenario," though—I am trying to discuss harms that have largely gone unnoticed for far too long. And I think that comparing the legalization of a powerful intoxicant to the invention of the automobile is a stretch at best.

TMP: Forgive the obvious question, but have you smoked/vaped/consumed the drug in question?

AB: To me, that's not so much obvious as irrelevant. But yes, I have used it a handful of times in my life, in college and thereafter. This was mostly in the 1990s, when cannabis was much weaker. To be honest, knowing what I know now, I don't think I would be comfortable using the current high-THC versions.

[roob1]

A case of confusing correlation with causation.....Quotes are from Wikipedia.

"A group of 100 scholars and clinicians (including academics from Columbia University, Harvard Medical School, and New York University, and care providers including addiction medicine doctors, psychologists, psychiatrists and social workers) published an open letter criticizing Berenson's claim of a scientific link between cannabis use and violence.[3][6]: 1 [4]In particular, they describe his book as highly problematic because Berenson infers causation from correlation, cherry-picks data that fits his narrative, falls victim to selection bias via use of anecdotes to back up his assertions, and attributes the disproportionate rates of arrest of African-American youth[5]: 1  to the alleged violence caused by their cannabis use, despite individuals of all races using cannabis at approximately equal rates.[3]: 1 [12][6]"

"Carl Hart, a professor of psychology and psychiatry at Columbia University and Charles Ksir, professor emeritus of psychology and neuroscience at the University of Wyoming, wrote an opinion piece in The Guardian which stated: "As scientists with a combined 70-plus years of drug education and research on psychoactive substances, we find Berenson's assertions to be misinformed and reckless.", and that Berenson confuses causation with correlation (association) when claiming that marijuana use causes increased psychosis, while ignoring that the same correlation also exists for psychosis and use of tobacco, stimulants, and opioids.[2]: 1 They conclude with: "Back in the 1930s, when there were virtually no scientific data on marijuana, ignorant and racist officials publicized exaggerated anecdotal accounts of its harms and were believed. Almost 90 years and hundreds of studies later, there is no excuse for these exaggerations or the inappropriate conclusions drawn by Berenson. Neither account has any place in serious discussions of science or public policy – which means Berenson doesn't, either."[2]"

Originally Posted by Laraine

The Case Against Cannabis
A journalist’s pursuit of the truth about marijuana, mental illness and violence.
By The Marshall Project

Alex Berenson is probably best known as the author of the John Wells espionage thrillers, 11 of them so far, but until 2010 he was a reporter, including for 11 years at The New York Times, where his assignments ranged from the pharmaceutical industry to Hurricane Katrina.

He did two reporting tours in Iraq. That battleground may seem relatively tame compared to the response when his new book goes on sale.

“Tell Your Children: The Truth About Marijuana, Mental Illness, and Violence” is an intensively researched and passionate dissent from the now prevailing view that marijuana is relatively harmless. The book is a “bullhorn” (his word) for scientists and physicians whose research has, he argues, been drowned out by the triumphal cheers of the marijuana lobby.

He exchanged emails with TMP’s Bill Keller.

The Marshall Project: Alex, you’re really swimming against the tide. Both public opinion and the law have moved dramatically in favor of marijuana, and you’re arguing that pot is connected to psychosis and violent crime. Before we get to your evidence, what drew you to this subject?

Alex Berenson: My wife Jacqueline is a forensic psychiatrist. She evaluates the criminally mentally ill. She told me that nearly all her patients had used marijuana heavily, many at the times of their crimes. At first I didn't really believe her—stupidly—but she encouraged me to evaluate the evidence myself. And the more I read, the more I realized she was right. Marijuana drives a surprising amount of psychosis, and psychosis—besides being a terrible burden for sufferers and their families—is a shockingly high risk for violent crime.

TMP: Last I checked, 33 states and the District of Columbia had legalized marijuana specifically for medicinal purposes. Doctors are apparently prescribing pot for pain, Parkinson’s, PTSD, epilepsy, multiple sclerosis and most recently some forms of autism. Pot has been held out as an answer to the opioid crisis—pain relief without the risk of a lethal overdose. Are you saying all these politicians and doctors are deluded?

AB: This question fundamentally misunderstands medical marijuana. The confusion is not surprising, as the cannabis advocacy community has done everything possible to confuse the way medical legalization works in practice. Marijuana is not "prescribed" for anything. It can't be, because the FDA has never approved it to treat any disease, and there is little evidence that smoked cannabis or THC extracts help any of the diseases you mention, except pain. Physicians "authorize" its use, usually after very short visits by patients who have come to them specifically to receive an authorization card. By far the most common conditions for which medical marijuana is authorized are pain and self-reported psychiatric conditions such as anxiety and insomnia, not diseases such as Parkinson's.

After receiving an authorization card, "patients" can then buy as much marijuana as they like for a year for any reason they choose. Nearly all were recreational users before they became "patients." And there is no difference between medical and recreational marijuana. They are the same drug. Further, the vast majority of physicians will not write authorizations, at least according to the states that keep track of physician authorizations. A tiny number of doctors—so-called "pot doctors"—write nearly all of them.

In other words, in nearly all cases, medical legalization is simply a backdoor way to protect recreational users from arrest. This has been a terrible mistake, mainly because it has further confused the public about marijuana's relative risks and benefits.

TMP: Your other—perhaps more contentious—conclusion is that marijuana may contribute to increases in violent crime. As you know, establishing causal links between crime rates and, well, anything, is extremely tricky. What convinced you that pot is a culprit?

AB: Psychosis is a known factor for violent crime. People with schizophrenia commit violent crime at rates far higher than healthy people - their homicide rates are about 20 times as high. Worse, they commit most of that crime while they are under the influence. Since cannabis causes paranoia—not even advocates dispute that fact—and psychosis, it is not surprising that it would drive violent crime. And in fact there are a number of good studies showing that users have significantly higher violence rates than non-users. Further, in researching the book, I found many, many cases where the causation appeared clear. In some cases it was as simple and obvious as, this person—with no history of violence—smoked, became psychotic, and committed a homicide.

TMP: You write that you don’t believe people should go to prison for using marijuana. How should the law deal with pot? Should it be regulated? Should it carry a warning label?

AB: We need to spend a lot of money warning people—especially young people—about these risks. We've successfully driven down tobacco use. We can do the same with marijuana use. I don't favor full legalization because that creates an industry with a financial interest in low taxes and increasing use. Decriminalization is a reasonable compromise.

TMP: In your Times op-ed, you suggest that the ominous scholarly findings have been ignored thanks to legalization advocates and the private cannabis industry. Is it just that they made a more convincing argument, that they were louder, or is something else going on?

AB: Linking legalization to medical use was a brilliant decision. No one wants to deny terminal cancer patients or people with AIDS a medicine that might help them. They were also supported by a lot of people in the elite media who became convinced by the social and racial justice arguments and didn't do the work necessary to understand the science and health risks.

TMP: You refer to the social and racial justice arguments. You agree that there are real racial disparities in the treatment of drugs, including marijuana? How do they figure in the larger debate about legalization?

AB: I do. But legalizing marijuana will not solve those disparities—they are related to much broader criminal justice and social issues. In fact, not so long ago, many black and Hispanic leaders strongly opposed legalization, because they saw the way Big Tobacco and Big Alcohol targeted poor and minority communities. And support for legalization is still lower among African-Americans and Hispanics than whites.

TMP: You chose as the title of your book “Tell Your Children”—which was the original title of “Reefer Madness,” the comically alarmist 1930’s anti-marijuana propaganda film. Why?

AB: I expected I would face serious backlash for this book and instead of running from it I decided to lean in. As far as I'm concerned, I'm a journalist, not an advocate—I'm just the messenger for a bunch of scientists and physicians who are too busy researching and helping patients to waste time on talk shows—but I knew how the book would be received.

TMP: Malcolm Gladwell, a pretty good guide to the zeitgeist, calls your book a "worst-case scenario," but seems to agree with you that benign view of pot has been greatly oversold. He says the best-case scenario is that we muddle through, adapting to marijuana as we have to the "once extraordinarily lethal innovation of the automobile." Your thoughts?

AB: I really liked Gladwell's piece. I don't think I'm presenting a "worst-case scenario," though—I am trying to discuss harms that have largely gone unnoticed for far too long. And I think that comparing the legalization of a powerful intoxicant to the invention of the automobile is a stretch at best.

TMP: Forgive the obvious question, but have you smoked/vaped/consumed the drug in question?

AB: To me, that's not so much obvious as irrelevant. But yes, I have used it a handful of times in my life, in college and thereafter. This was mostly in the 1990s, when cannabis was much weaker. To be honest, knowing what I know now, I don't think I would be comfortable using the current high-THC versions.

[elevatorman]

How will you vote on Florida Amendment 3 Marijuana Legalization

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by elevatorman

How will you vote on Florida Amendment 3 Marijuana Legalization

I will vote in person at Rohan. I will probably take advantage of early voting. I don't remember exactly how to mark the ballot so I will have to listen to the instructions when I arrive.

[KSSunshine]

Being a neighbor to Colorado when marijuana was legalized, one aspect sold to voters was that it would increase funding for education. Sadly, emergency room visits increased, including children who got into parents "gummies" that looked like candy. Vehicular accidents increased as well. Our family who lived there had to stop going to sports bars since they cannot have substances in their systems for work. (You don't want your pilot high on second hand mj). Users abused the priviledge and smoked in public places, not just their homes...afterall....who were they hurting was their mantra. I watch the TV ads and think of the added problems that they never mention since it's all about passing this law. Sad to present only one side of an issue. Bad for people.

[Bealman]

Originally Posted by JGibson

It's on the ballot this November.

It's estimated the tax revenue in the first year would be over $500 million and much more in the following years.

21 years of age would be the age limit and no cultivating on your own.

Medical marijuana is already legal in Florida and seems to obtain approval is a low threshold and really just about the money for doctor fees.

For those who say it's a gateway drug well alcohol or any mind altering medication can also be a gateway drug.

Yea or Nay on Amendment 3 for marijuana legalization?

Moved from CO to get away from marijuana legalization. Ruined CO. It will ruin Florida. Medical marijuana was a "gateway drug" to eventually get recreational marijuana into states. It is the game the marijuana industry has followed in every state.
Maybe once all the states have legal marijuana the issues will not be as big of an impact with the crap that follows the legalization of marijuana.

Funny, we want to ban smoking, but yet we promote marijuana. Oxymoron in my opinion. Yes, you can eat marijuana, but most of the time it is smoked.....so why do we want to ban smoking tobacco if we are legalizing marijuana?

Of course, it is about the money. Something is only legal if you can tax it properly. Just ask Al Capone.

[Cliff Fr]

I urge a person to watch the movie "Up in smoke" with Cheech and Chong before you decide how to vote. Lol

[Bogie Shooter]

Mail in ballot.

[Topspinmo]

No. And no next year, and next decade. But, one pot head can nullify my vote.

[CybrSage]

Originally Posted by Michael 61

I lived in Colorado Springs for 20 years and was in Denver weekly if not more during those years - I ABSOLUTELY saw an obvious and rapid deterioration of downtown Denver the same year pot became legalized. The homelessness problem exploded, as young people from around the country flooded the public parks to camp out and smoke pot in public. I first-hand witnessed restaurants and small, businesses flee downtown Denver, as the “riff raff” associated with the public pot smoking took over the downtown. Ask most Coloradans, and downtown Denver quickly became a “no go” zone, after previously being a mostly safe and clean area to dine and socialize.

I did a search to see what effects on downtown Denver legalization had amd found nothing bad.

Can you post support for your claims?

[CybrSage]

Originally Posted by KSSunshine

Being a neighbor to Colorado when marijuana was legalized, one aspect sold to voters was that it would increase funding for education. Sadly, emergency room visits increased, including children who got into parents "gummies" that looked like candy.

This is why PA does not allow gummies. If governments say putting a cartoon camel camel on cigarettes is marketing to children, that same logic says a gummy is designed for kids. Heck JUUL was snacked down for having tasty flavors in it's nicotine vapes.

I enjoy them, but gummies really are an irresistible piece of candy to kids. Parents need to keep them locked away.

[CybrSage]

Originally Posted by Laraine

Alex Berenson: My wife Jacqueline is a forensic psychiatrist. She evaluates the criminally mentally ill. She told me that nearly all her patients had used marijuana heavily, many at the times of their crimes. At first I didn't really believe her—stupidly—but she encouraged me to evaluate the evidence myself. And the more I read, the more I realized she was right. Marijuana drives a surprising amount of psychosis, and psychosis—besides being a terrible burden for sufferers and their families—is a shockingly high risk for violent crime.

She is a bad psychiatrist since she wrongly believes that correlation is causation.

It has been proven that people with mental issues find relief with pot, yet she thinks the pot caused the problem they found relief from.

The science is anything but clear on this issue and anyone who says otherwise should be completely ignored.

[Ptmcbriz]

About time Florida enters the 21st century. It needs the revenue to upgrade infrastructure, schools, roads, etc. people can’t smoke it in public and only smoke in their homes. They do it now but now it will be regulated and the state financially benefit. Bravo!

[GATORBILL66]

Vote no. Check out how much the death rate has gone up in the states that voted to legalize weed. Colorado and Oregon especially are thinking of trying to reverse it somehow. If you want to loose a love one, vote yes! Don't ruin Florida!

[Joe C.]

Easy question here. Do you know why kids and young adults are so screwed up today?

Answer. Because their parents smoked dope and used drugs when the fetus was in the womb.

Oh no, that's not true. That's not the reason.
Guess again, idiot.