[Irishmen]

Originally Posted by billethkid

The single most contributing factor is that almost all new cases are those not vaccinated. The hospitalization and deaths will follow those numbers.

Requiring those who are already protected/vaccinated to mask up and social distance again accomplishes what?
The number not vaccinated isn't going to change significantly.
The number not masking up is not likely to change either.

As long as the decision makers continue dance around of the reality of the un-vaccinated pandemic...it can only get worse.

same cases determined by PCR test the CDC quietly pulled last Friday.

[Irishmen]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Not here in Florida, especially from our governor who has referred to masks as "muzzles". I saw him say that with my own two eyes and my own two ears. What a buffoon!

As an aside...............I don't expect vaccinated people to have to mask up except where it is posted as required but un-vaxxed should be masking at this point when in public indoor spaces everywhere. Pipe dream, I know given the absolute disdain for masking by the anti-vaxxers.

What is the size of the virus in microns compared to the size of microns a cloth disposable mask capable of filtering?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

So the CDC, the organization that is supposed to keep us updated on the virus and it’s trends are months behind? The number of breakthrough cases is climbing and yet it is going unreported by the CDC. The fact is, they made the decision to stop reporting the number of breakthrough cases…
One former medical professional on TOTV constantly refers to the CDC’s .007% number when defending the vaccine’s effectiveness. I have never seen you respond to his posts regarding the use of that figure…
We were told since the onset of the virus that you could still spread Covid even if you were asymptotic. That’s why it was so important to wear masks. Because you could have the virus and not know it, and still pass it on to others. So why wouldn’t that hold true for breakthrough cases??…

Everything I have read and heard from expert doctors on my television claim that vaccinated people do not have enough viral load to infect others, vaxxed or un-vaxxed. Isn’t this why CDC guidelines for vaccinated people state they do not have to quarantine after an exposure to a KNOWN Covid positive person UNLESS they are symptomatic for Covid. That means a vaccinated person is no threat to anyone unless they are symptomatic for Covid.

I have not seen or heard that this guideline has changed. If it has, will someone kindly post a link to the new guideline. Thanks.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Irishmen

What is the size of the virus in microns compared to the size of microns a cloth disposable mask capable of filtering?

The virus does not travel by itself. The virus is encapsulated in droplets and/or aerosols. Those droplets and aerosols are HUGE compared to the minuscule size of the virus. THIS is why universal masking with NON N95 masks are effective for source control. Those non N95 masks are not effective for protecting the wearer. Hasn’t this been established already for well over a year? Why in the world are we even discussing this at this point in time of this pandemic? Oh, I know. It is because of your comment about the size of the virus particles.

[billethkid]

The elephant in the room is how to get/force vax/mask compliance??? Won't happen in the permissive everything world of today!

Let the non vax pandemic seek it's own level of acceptable new cases/hospitalizations/deaths.

There is no sense what so ever in appealing to the vaccinated to mask up to help protect those who will not get the vax or mask up to help themselves!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Irishmen

What is the size of the virus in microns compared to the size of microns a cloth disposable mask capable of filtering?

Unless you plan on spitting ONTO a mask, it really doesn't matter what size they are. The point of the mask is to reduce risk, not become an impenetrable barrier against moisture.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by billethkid

The elephant in the room is how to get/force vax/mask compliance??? Won't happen in the permissive everything world of today!

Let the non vax pandemic seek it's own level of acceptable new cases/hospitalizations/deaths.

There is no sense what so ever in appealing to the vaccinated to mask up to help protect those who will not get the vax or mask up to help themselves!

Virii mutate when they have a sizeable segment of hosts with which to mutate. The more people who are vaccinated, the smaller the segment of hosts. The smaller the segment of hosts, the less likely the virus is capable of surviving long enough to mutate at all.

And the less likely it is to mutate, the more likely vaccinated people are to not get the new mutated virus, which the vaccine is NOT created to combat.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by drducat

Yes and as I mentioned before...vaccinated still contract and spread the virus with no symptoms....along with..yes variants.

A very small % happens like that. Too small to even mention or affect anyone's decision whether or not to get the vaccine. Perfection can NOT be expected from ANY vaccine.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

There is already plenty of disdain for the un-vaxxed. If it comes down to mask mandates for everyone (never here in Florida though), there will be many more confrontations and divisiveness in our country. We are not heading in a good direction with this.

Florida brought this "covid capital distinction" on itself. We have become the nation's laughingstock.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Florida brought this "covid capital distinction" on itself. We have become the nation's laughingstock.

Ya think the MSM helped just a little bit?

[Boomer]

I am tired of the incubators who walk among us.

I am tired of those who will not apply simple risk vs. benefit thinking to their vaccine decision. (Yes. I am capable of making exceptions for those who cannot take the risk because of certain medical conditions.)

I am tired of those who cannot seem to comprehend that we protect children by vaccinating adults. Why do adults who refuse to be vaccinated for no real reason not realize they are robbing children of their childhoods?

I am tired of Facebook Zombies who think they are so much smarter than us vaccinated people — and so much smarter than doctors and scientists. (Of course, there are the “doctors and scientists” who are making big bucks by reeling them in.)

I am tired of churches that actually discourage vaccinating, whether it be outright or insidious anti-vaccine messages. . .

If they think they can pray away the virus, they need to hear that old joke about the guy who dies and asks God why he did not save him from drowning when he prayed to be rescued. God answered him, saying, “ Geez, who do you think sent the guy on the shore with the rope, and then the boat and then the helicopter?”

I am tired of thinking about how insurance premiums are going to become even more ridiculous to cover the cost of vaccine deniers who get sick. We all know insurance companies do not lose money. (Check their stocks if you do not believe me.)

I am tired of seeing that our economy is going to suffer extensively from this thing that is so obviously preventable. But as long as there are those who are allowing themselves to be played as pawns in the game of power, we’re all going to be hit economically, in one way or another.

And I am tired of a year-plus of wearing a mask — that could start all over. This upcoming possibility of going back to that is like one of those stupid class-punishments that some teachers use. (I taught secondary ed for a hundred years and never, ever used one of those.)

I am tired of the fact that Pogo was absolutely right.

I gotta get outa here now and do something useful. Why oh why can’t I stop looking at these threads. . .

Boomer

[stanley]

Originally Posted by Boomer

I am tired of the incubators who walk among us.

I am tired of those who will not apply simple risk vs. benefit thinking to their vaccine decision. (Yes. I am capable of making exceptions for those who cannot take the risk because of certain medical conditions.)

I am tired of those who cannot seem to comprehend that we protect children by vaccinating adults. Why do adults who refuse to be vaccinated for no real reason not realize they are robbing children of their childhoods?

I am tired of Facebook Zombies who think they are so much smarter than us vaccinated people — and so much smarter than doctors and scientists. (Of course, there are the “doctors and scientists” who are making big bucks by reeling them in.)

I am tired of churches that actually discourage vaccinating, whether it be outright or insidious anti-vaccine messages. . .

If they think they can pray away the virus, they need to hear that old joke about the guy who dies and asks God why he did not save him from drowning when he prayed to be rescued. God answered him, saying, “ Geez, who do you think sent the guy on the shore with the rope, and then the boat and then the helicopter?”

I am tired of thinking about how insurance premiums are going to become even more ridiculous to cover the cost of vaccine deniers who get sick. We all know insurance companies do not lose money. (Check their stocks if you do not believe me.)

I am tired of seeing that our economy is going to suffer extensively from this thing that is so obviously preventable. But as long as there are those who are allowing themselves to be played as pawns in the game of power, we’re all going to be hit economically, in one way or another.

And I am tired of a year-plus of wearing a mask — that could start all over. This upcoming possibility of going back to that is like one of those stupid class-punishments that some teachers use. (I taught secondary ed for a hundred years and never, ever used one of those.)

I am tired of the fact that Pogo was absolutely right.

I gotta get outa here now and do something useful. Why oh why can’t I stop looking at these threads. . .

Boomer

You're not the only one that's tired!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

True. But.....the vaccinated are not getting sick and dying. The un-vaxxed are the people who are dying. So, I repeat. Why should the vaccinated have to mask up to protect those who do not want to protect themselves?

The question that you ask brings up an age-old, deep philosophic question - "are we our brother's keeper"? Many of the UNvaccinated are young people that feel invulnerable to pain and death. Society has a responsibility to educate young people and spare them any chance of experiencing unnecessary CV pain and death. In the wild most mammals like deer, bears, and dogs protect their young. Human behavior can be more complex and not governed by instinct. And in the current situation, people can be overwhelmed by the cross-currents of information and misinformation.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Another conspiracy theory debunked. Thank you.

They must not have understood the part about spike protein toxicity...hardly debunked. That is why it was posted.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Breakthrough cases are fully vaccinated people who test positive for the virus. I agree just looking at just the Yankees is too small a sample size. But look at all professional athletes and their percentage of breakthrough cases. They are among the most tested people on the planet. And their breakthrough percentage far exceeds the CDC’s stated .007%.
Most people who have been vaccinated and have no symptoms will never be tested. So they will never know if they have Covid and are asymptotic. The bigger question is, how likely are they to spread the virus? That is still being looked into.

Let's just do a hypothetical......Let's say every single vaccinated person on the planet can still spread Covid if they get infected. Of those vaccinated people who become infected, hospitalizations and death of those vaccinated infected people are minuscule compared to the total amount of fully vaccinated people.

So.....any "smart" un-vaccinated person should make a B-line to the nearest vaccination center and get themselves vaccinated. I said "smart" but don't know how "smart" they are if they aren't vaccinated yet.That Delta variant is sure to get ya. LOL.