[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by drducat

Also I am having trouble trusting the CDC these days along with FDA and AMA is out to lunch and has been for a while now. The WHO is off the rails.

Middle school children engage in "name-calling" because it is quick and makes them feel powerful and relevant. But, they are incapable of a REASONED, intelligent argument. They eventually become ignored by their peers.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The question that you ask brings up an age-old, deep philosophic question - "are we our brother's keeper"? Many of the UNvaccinated are young people that feel invulnerable to pain and death. Society has a responsibility to educate young people and spare them any chance of experiencing unnecessary CV pain and death. In the wild most mammals like deer, bears, and dogs protect their young. Human behavior can be more complex and not governed by instinct. And in the current situation, people can be overwhelmed by the cross-currents of information and misinformation.

I absolutely agree.

I believe we have responsibilities as members of our society to each do our part to help our "herd" survive and prosper. We all seem to be willing to accept the benefits of living in this country, but it seems some are not willing to do their part as a member.

Personally, I blame the internet for most of our issues around this. For the first time in history, anyone no matter what expertise they have can instantly reach an audience of literally billions, and make money doing it - lots of money. It would help if everyone would quit clicking on clickbait and quit viewing blogs and youtube videos of influencers.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Middle school children engage in "name-calling" because it is quick and makes them feel powerful and relevant. But, they are incapable of a REASONED, intelligent argument. They eventually become ignored by their peers.

Often the use of name-calling and extreme positions is to gain recognition and validation. Internet trolls for decades have thrived on the validation they get from their peer group. Not for the accuracy of their comments, but for the vitriol and over-the-top comments.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Middle school children engage in "name-calling" because it is quick and makes them feel powerful and relevant. But, they are incapable of a REASONED, intelligent argument. They eventually become ignored by their peers.

Middle School children also have a better understanding of what's written in a comment, Nobody called anyone names.

Where in this quote is the name calling?

Originally Posted by drducat View Post
Also I am having trouble trusting the CDC these days along with FDA and AMA is out to lunch and has been for a while now. The WHO is off the rails.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Often the use of name-calling and extreme positions is to gain recognition and validation. Internet trolls for decades have thrived on the validation they get from their peer group. Not for the accuracy of their comments, but for the vitriol and over-the-top comments.

Again...where is the name calling in that comment that I quoted?
Too much "misinformation............baaaaaa

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by billethkid

The elephant in the room is how to get/force vax/mask compliance??? Won't happen in the permissive everything world of today!

Let the non vax pandemic seek it's own level of acceptable new cases/hospitalizations/deaths.

There is no sense what so ever in appealing to the vaccinated to mask up to help protect those who will not get the vax or mask up to help themselves!

Vaccinated people don't need to mask up to help themselves. They are protected from becoming ill and protected from death. Now, the immunocompromised may need to mask up because they don't usually achieve the level of protection of people with normal immune systems. The immunocompromised vaccinated people need to mask up to protect themselves......not the people with a strong response to the vaccines.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by John41

30% of the illegal immigrants are refusing the vaccine yet get transported throughout the states to seed Covid.

I dislike ANY illegal immigrants coming to OUR country. But, as far as the 30% that refuse vaccination. That should not be TOO surprising because 30% of the regular residents of OUR country, also, refuse to be vaccinated. Both groups are going to weaken America and both outrage me.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Virii mutate when they have a sizeable segment of hosts with which to mutate. The more people who are vaccinated, the smaller the segment of hosts. The smaller the segment of hosts, the less likely the virus is capable of surviving long enough to mutate at all.

And the less likely it is to mutate, the more likely vaccinated people are to not get the new mutated virus, which the vaccine is NOT created to combat.

Really? Where have you heard, read or seen that our current mRNA vaccines do not protect against the Delta variant or any other variant for that matter? That is not what I have heard, read or seen on my television being informed my the specialists and doctors. In fact, the only information I have received about the Delta variant is that the mRNA vaccines are protective against this Delta variant. THIS is the reason the American people are being told that we do not need a booster at this point in time. The drug companies are considering a booster for those vaccinated people who are immunocompromised and have not had a robust response from the vaccine.

Has anyone heard any differently?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Florida brought this "covid capital distinction" on itself. We have become the nation's laughingstock.

Buffoonery Inc.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by stanley

Ya think the MSM helped just a little bit?

MSM tells it like it is. You don't see MSM passing on conspiracy theories. THAT is why they are main stream. Get it?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

So which is it? Is it that "the vast majority are unvaccinated" or is it that only "30% of the illegal immigrants are refusing the vaccine?"

How are they able to "seed Covid" if they are first tested and quarantined before they "get transported throughout the states?"

Are the immigrants being transported to Florida? If not, how are they contributing to the topic of this thread?

Yeah I know, a lot of questions, but it's better to ask questions than claim knowledge while spreading misinformation.

The part about Florida IS easily explained. The unvaccinated illegals, even if NOT sent to Florida, could contact and infect someone coming to Florida. Say a truck driver or tourist. There is NO protected bubble over Florida. Like it or NOT, we ALL live in ONE big country and even just ONE big world.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Boomer

I am tired of the incubators who walk among us.

I am tired of those who will not apply simple risk vs. benefit thinking to their vaccine decision. (Yes. I am capable of making exceptions for those who cannot take the risk because of certain medical conditions.)

I am tired of those who cannot seem to comprehend that we protect children by vaccinating adults. Why do adults who refuse to be vaccinated for no real reason not realize they are robbing children of their childhoods?

I am tired of Facebook Zombies who think they are so much smarter than us vaccinated people — and so much smarter than doctors and scientists. (Of course, there are the “doctors and scientists” who are making big bucks by reeling them in.)

I am tired of churches that actually discourage vaccinating, whether it be outright or insidious anti-vaccine messages. . .

If they think they can pray away the virus, they need to hear that old joke about the guy who dies and asks God why he did not save him from drowning when he prayed to be rescued. God answered him, saying, “ Geez, who do you think sent the guy on the shore with the rope, and then the boat and then the helicopter?”

I am tired of thinking about how insurance premiums are going to become even more ridiculous to cover the cost of vaccine deniers who get sick. We all know insurance companies do not lose money. (Check their stocks if you do not believe me.)

I am tired of seeing that our economy is going to suffer extensively from this thing that is so obviously preventable. But as long as there are those who are allowing themselves to be played as pawns in the game of power, we’re all going to be hit economically, in one way or another.

And I am tired of a year-plus of wearing a mask — that could start all over. This upcoming possibility of going back to that is like one of those stupid class-punishments that some teachers use. (I taught secondary ed for a hundred years and never, ever used one of those.)

I am tired of the fact that Pogo was absolutely right.

I gotta get outa here now and do something useful. Why oh why can’t I stop looking at these threads. . .

Boomer

Boomer said a mouthful. So right on target.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The question that you ask brings up an age-old, deep philosophic question - "are we our brother's keeper"? Many of the UNvaccinated are young people that feel invulnerable to pain and death. Society has a responsibility to educate young people and spare them any chance of experiencing unnecessary CV pain and death. In the wild most mammals like deer, bears, and dogs protect their young. Human behavior can be more complex and not governed by instinct. And in the current situation, people can be overwhelmed by the cross-currents of information and misinformation.

I'm not anyone's keeper but myself.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

I find it interesting that the same people who are quick to point out the high number of positive tests in Florida, and blame it on those who haven’t been vaccinated are the same ones who claim the tests are to blame when the number of vaccinated positives far exceeds the CDC’s claims…
By the way, the seven day average Covid mortality rate in Florida is exactly the same as it was at the end of June…

The mortality rate is a lagging statistic. The number of cases is a leading indicator of DEATHS!

[stanley]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

MSM tells it like it is. You don't see MSM passing on conspiracy theories. THAT is why they are main stream. Get it?

Riddle me this then Joker......
Why doesn't Fauchi agree to be interviewed on
...........um......more .........um.......Conservative
News media?