Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1979075)

I'm not anyone's keeper but myself.

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 1979048)

They must not have understood the part about spike protein toxicity...hardly debunked. That is why it was posted.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1978881)

WOW!!! A patient can develop inflammation after a viral infection. Shocking, thank you Captain Obvious. And a study by "computer model" to boot! So we now need a computer to predict that a COVID patient could develop a post-viral polyarticular polyarthropathy, just like any other virus.

So, just what does this have to with the vaccines, and how does this equate with "poison"

Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1979078)

Riddle me this then Joker......
Why doesn't Fauchi agree to be interviewed on
...........um......more .........um.......Conservative
News media?

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1979079)

But, you use our roads drink our water, flush your toilets into our sewers, count on our fire department, rely on our police force, and on and on.

But, you don't have any responsibilities, only privelges.

Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1979078)

Riddle me this then Joker......
Why doesn't Fauchi agree to be interviewed on
...........um......more .........um.......Conservative
News media?

Originally Posted by Boffin (Post 1978660)

Florida is recording more COVID-19 cases than any other U.S. state, as hospitalizations in some areas increase at the fastest rate since the start of the pandemic.

The state accounts for one in five new infections in the U.S. and logged 73,181 cases over the past week, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Florida had 341 cases per 100,000 people over the past week, second only to Louisiana. The weekly total of new cases reported by Florida jumped more than fourfold between July 1 and July 22, reaching its highest point since mid-January.

Deaths in Florida totaled 319 over the past week, the most among states, with a rate of 1.5 per 100,000 people, the fourth-highest, according to the CDC.

Epidemiologists say various factors are at play: large numbers of unvaccinated people, a relaxation of preventive measures like mask-wearing and social distancing, the spread of the highly contagious Delta variant of the coronavirus and the congregation of people indoors during hot summer months.

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1978911)

Breakthrough cases are fully vaccinated people who test positive for the virus. I agree just looking at just the Yankees is too small a sample size. But look at all professional athletes and their percentage of breakthrough cases. They are among the most tested people on the planet. And their breakthrough percentage far exceeds the CDC’s stated .007%.
Most people who have been vaccinated and have no symptoms will never be tested. So they will never know if they have Covid and are asymptotic. The bigger question is, how likely are they to spread the virus? That is still being looked into.

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 1979048)

They must not have understood the part about spike protein toxicity...hardly debunked. That is why it was posted.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1979086)

Here is an interview Dr. Faucci did with Cavuto on FOX.........
Dr. Fauci: Masks may not be needed in 2022 - YouTube

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1979100)

"Inflammation" and "toxicity" are two very different things

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1979087)

Of course I have responsibilities. I was replying to someone about wearing masks to protect people who are not vaccinated. THAT is what I was referring to. I'M VACCINATED so I'm already doing my part to protect others. I'm not their keeper beyond that when it comes to this virus.

Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1979102)

"overload of true and false information"



The good news being, that it becomes easier by the day to determine who are the blatant liars, conspiracy spreaders and purveyors of disinformation. So at least there's that.

Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1979032)

Ya think the MSM helped just a little bit?:pray:

Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1979033)

I am tired of the incubators who walk among us.

I am tired of those who will not apply simple risk vs. benefit thinking to their vaccine decision. (Yes. I am capable of making exceptions for those who cannot take the risk because of certain medical conditions.)

I am tired of those who cannot seem to comprehend that we protect children by vaccinating adults. Why do adults who refuse to be vaccinated for no real reason not realize they are robbing children of their childhoods?

I am tired of Facebook Zombies who think they are so much smarter than us vaccinated people — and so much smarter than doctors and scientists. (Of course, there are the “doctors and scientists” who are making big bucks by reeling them in.)

I am tired of churches that actually discourage vaccinating, whether it be outright or insidious anti-vaccine messages. . .

If they think they can pray away the virus, they need to hear that old joke about the guy who dies and asks God why he did not save him from drowning when he prayed to be rescued. God answered him, saying, “ Geez, who do you think sent the guy on the shore with the rope, and then the boat and then the helicopter?”

I am tired of thinking about how insurance premiums are going to become even more ridiculous to cover the cost of vaccine deniers who get sick. We all know insurance companies do not lose money. (Check their stocks if you do not believe me.)

I am tired of seeing that our economy is going to suffer extensively from this thing that is so obviously preventable. But as long as there are those who are allowing themselves to be played as pawns in the game of power, we’re all going to be hit economically, in one way or another.

And I am tired of a year-plus of wearing a mask — that could start all over. This upcoming possibility of going back to that is like one of those stupid class-punishments that some teachers use. (I taught secondary ed for a hundred years and never, ever used one of those.)

I am tired of the fact that Pogo was absolutely right.

I gotta get outa here now and do something useful. Why oh why can’t I stop looking at these threads. . .

Boomer

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1979099)

I heard a Doctor that is an expert in that field state on TV that an asymptomatic breakthrough vaccinated person IS CAPABLE of spreading CV to the UNvaccinated. To him, it seemed LIKELY. I have heard other Doctors state that it is UNLIKELY. CV is in its infancy and therefore knowledge about it is also in its infancy. Unfortunately, this allows for BOTH factual information and propaganda to be published in media like Facebook. Each of us individually must decide where and who we put our trust in. As we see from the posts the majority of us are struggling with an overload of true and false information. It has divided friends and families and is a sad chapter in US modern history!

Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1979033)

I am tired of the incubators who walk among us.

I am tired of those who will not apply simple risk vs. benefit thinking to their vaccine decision. (Yes. I am capable of making exceptions for those who cannot take the risk because of certain medical conditions.)

I am tired of those who cannot seem to comprehend that we protect children by vaccinating adults. Why do adults who refuse to be vaccinated for no real reason not realize they are robbing children of their childhoods?

I am tired of Facebook Zombies who think they are so much smarter than us vaccinated people — and so much smarter than doctors and scientists. (Of course, there are the “doctors and scientists” who are making big bucks by reeling them in.)

I am tired of churches that actually discourage vaccinating, whether it be outright or insidious anti-vaccine messages. . .

If they think they can pray away the virus, they need to hear that old joke about the guy who dies and asks God why he did not save him from drowning when he prayed to be rescued. God answered him, saying, “ Geez, who do you think sent the guy on the shore with the rope, and then the boat and then the helicopter?”

I am tired of thinking about how insurance premiums are going to become even more ridiculous to cover the cost of vaccine deniers who get sick. We all know insurance companies do not lose money. (Check their stocks if you do not believe me.)

I am tired of seeing that our economy is going to suffer extensively from this thing that is so obviously preventable. But as long as there are those who are allowing themselves to be played as pawns in the game of power, we’re all going to be hit economically, in one way or another.

And I am tired of a year-plus of wearing a mask — that could start all over. This upcoming possibility of going back to that is like one of those stupid class-punishments that some teachers use. (I taught secondary ed for a hundred years and never, ever used one of those.)

I am tired of the fact that Pogo was absolutely right.

I gotta get outa here now and do something useful. Why oh why can’t I stop looking at these threads. . .

Boomer

Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1979040)

You're not the only one that's tired!

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1979058)

I absolutely agree.

I believe we have responsibilities as members of our society to each do our part to help our "herd" survive and prosper. We all seem to be willing to accept the benefits of living in this country, but it seems some are not willing to do their part as a member.

Personally, I blame the internet for most of our issues around this. For the first time in history, anyone no matter what expertise they have can instantly reach an audience of literally billions, and make money doing it - lots of money. It would help if everyone would quit clicking on clickbait and quit viewing blogs and youtube videos of influencers.

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1979144)

Al Qaeda propaganda. Who benefits from people not being vaccinating in the US? Who benefits from Americans dying? Who benefits from American people living in fear of …. Covid vaccine?

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1979068)

Really? Where have you heard, read or seen that our current mRNA vaccines do not protect against the Delta variant or any other variant for that matter? That is not what I have heard, read or seen on my television being informed my the specialists and doctors. In fact, the only information I have received about the Delta variant is that the mRNA vaccines are protective against this Delta variant. THIS is the reason the American people are being told that we do not need a booster at this point in time. The drug companies are considering a booster for those vaccinated people who are immunocompromised and have not had a robust response from the vaccine.

Has anyone heard any differently?

Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1979105)

Cavuto was never known for hard core interviews,that one is no exception. Fox, as a whole, has gone more left coast since the election, and I havn't taken it seriously since

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 1979111)

Reuters???? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1 rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 1979115)

My opinion is...The vax is in trial...Some people are most likely receiving a placebo/saline is why vaccinated are getting infected so easily. Also why vaccinated are being asked to wear a mask.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1978818)

Really????

I believe others have called you out before.

Perhaps you would share your credentials to make these statements?

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1979168)

You don't think Reuters is a reliable source?

About Reuters Fact Check

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1979118)

We will learn from the CDC briefing at 3 PM today.
It is expected that those who are vaccinated mask up....again.

It will be interesting to see what local restaurants and businesses do.

If it were my business I would have a sign like I have seen in several places this week in TV......if you have been vaccinated wearing a mask is optional for you.....if you have not been vaccinated we "request" you wear a mask.....

and that is the way it should be.....the emphasis just has to be on those who are vulnerable...those not vaccinated....the ones currently flooding the hospitals.....if after all the warnings and coaxing and prodding they still do not get vaccinated they are by default agreeing to live with the results.....more cases/more hospitalizations/more deaths.......

Those of us who are vaccinated can do little or nothing to change the minds of these people......

requiring the vaccinated to mask up is useless eyewash, side steps the real problem and is stupid.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1979165)

Everything there IS true, but OrangeBB was referring NOT to the Delta variant - rather to future POSSIBLE more deadly variants due to incubation in the currently UNvaccinated. The unknown is more frightening and more difficult to deal with than the known - in the case of what could follow the Delta is a variant that could defeat our current vaccines. Then, a whole NEW class of vaccines may or MAY NOT be needed to fight these NEW variants. It could be a long war of "catch-up" for the vaccine Scientists!

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1979171)

Oh my goodness. You CANNOT really believe that! You have just lost every single bit of credibility you ever had with me. Actually, I have not seen one post you have written that I have taken any stock in. Buh bye.

Originally Posted by Irishmen (Post 1979172)

See Israel with 3rd booster coming in most vaxxed country in the world followed by Trudeau ordering what amounts to 10 boosters per year for 2022 and 2023. Now you have to wear a mask again. If this doesn't equal short term immunity then nothing does.

Originally Posted by Irishmen (Post 1979172)

See Israel with 3rd booster coming in most vaxxed country in the world followed by Trudeau ordering what amounts to 10 boosters per year for 2022 and 2023. Now you have to wear a mask again. If this doesn't equal short term immunity then nothing does.

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1979182)

I don't know, but I expect you are in the majority here.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1979134)

Well, let's hope the "unlikely" expert is correct. If not, then from an epidemiological point of view, the vaccine would be useless. What good is a vaccine that allows the vaccinated to contract, and then spread the disease????? If it's only value is that the vaccinated are less likely to get seriously ill or die, that is actually counterproductive in the population as a whole since it allows people who would otherwise die to spread the disease. (but better for that individual)