[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Marty94

While the Orlando Sentinel reported that the “number of people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Florida rose to an all-time high of 11,515 patients in one day, according to data the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services released Tuesday,” it did not say they were all residents of Florida.

Please look at the charts provided by the State.

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_pa...ata_latest.pdf

Each year, Florida gets millions of visitors. Visitflorida.org estimated that almost 80 million tourists came to Florida last year, and in past years visitors have exceeded 100 million. So, a reasonable assumption can be made that a percentage of hospitalizations are tourists.

I don't see the importance of that DETAIL. A CV hospitalization RECORD is a BAD thing. The CV trend is NOT Florida's friend. The BIG PICTURE remains the same - get vaccinated before Lambda or some future variant can COMPLETELY overpower our Hospital systems.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by talonip

There have been over 5000 deaths from the so called vaccination. The second shot can be deadly. Survival rates are 98.5% untreated over all age groups. Adding treatments like hydroxychloriquin, ivermectin, monoclonal antibodys and more increase the survival by over 60%.

I am not living in fear.

Just how many of those 5000 deaths have been attributed DIRECTLY to the vaccine? Not too many from the information I have read about that.

[Mdhilltop]

Where are you getting your information from? certainly not from Our governor DeSantis, you are wrong very very wrong over inflated. Signed,
Concerned

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by forebubba

Nearly 200,000 people are turned away at the border every month. It is not an open boarder for all. Why do they come here? What is the root problem?

They came for money and a better life. But, their better life cost legal residents in MONEY and a lower quality of their life. Our roads and bridges are crumbling and overcrowded with just LEGAL residents. The ILLEGAL residents are driving the US downward into a 3rd rate country just by sheer numbers. IMO diversity is a good thing, but the US started being OVER-diversified when the population passed 275 million people. Most illegal immigrants are NOT rocket scientist-types. They will be RENDERED EXTRANEOUS by A.I. and ROBOTICS in the NEAR future. Then, you can't make them evaporate or have them colonize MARS. Our immigration laws were made by RICH PEOPLE that wanted to keep minimum wages LOW! It has left the complete US society with a LOWER quality of life. And please remember that I said that I did believe in the concept of diversity, NOT runaway diversity.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by talonip

There have been over 5000 deaths from the so called vaccination. The second shot can be deadly. Survival rates are 98.5% untreated over all age groups. Adding treatments like hydroxychloriquin, ivermectin, monoclonal antibodys and more increase the survival by over 60%.

I am not living in fear.

Confidence reigns supreme in the camp of the misinformed and propagandized!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy

How about doing the humanity thing and vaccinate these immigrants? There’s more than enough vaccine that the southern states aren’t using.

How about we vote on illegal immigration as part of the next election!

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

The CDC has been all over the place with regards to the number of deaths...

1. Not really. The numbers have been fairly consistent given the notice on the page that in many cases they are preliminary. The problem is usually that people haven't taken the time to understand what the datasets are.

2. Either only 300K of the 600K can be directly attributed to covid or only 300K of the 600K actually ever existed. In the former case, the other 300K died of something, so what was it? In the latter case, the other 300K never existed and never died and the states, the CDC, the WaPo, the NYT, the CovidTrackingProject, and many other sources are lying to us.

There is too much consistency in the 600K number to believe those people never really existed.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

You got that headline from one of several alt-right white conspiracy "the election was a fraud" science-denying anti-vaxx political Proud White Klan Boys websites. I just copied and pasted the entire line to a google search and those were the ONLY places I saw it.

Not even typical right-wing or somewhat conservative websites had that headline. It was only the extremists - the domestic terrorist daily news sites.

Thank you for setting the record straight. The US and TV Land are swimming in a sea of deliberate misinformation!

[drducat]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Just how many of those 5000 deaths have been attributed DIRECTLY to the vaccine? Not too many from the information I have read about that.

Just out...In Europe alone.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bob.Betty

I'm old and unvaccinated, haven't been sick a day in my life

They say that there is a 1ST time for everything.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by KRMACK55

600,000 did not die from the virus. All states were incentivized to put Covid on death certificates and health departments reported deaths that way. My friend in Illinois lost her mother at 93. She didn’t have Covid yet the death certificate said that’s what she died from. Cancer flu heart disease accidents etc got reported as Covid. Wonder how many autopsies were done to investigate further.

The Americans can't agree on anything - the Russian hacks and trolls have worked their magic. America is now set up for an invasion from within.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by drducat

Just out...In Europe alone.

Not likely. From Politifact

information from Global Research, a Canadian website run by the Centre for Research on Globalization, which was accused by NATO of posting conspiracy theories, spreading Russian disinformation and undermining Western media.

The post specifically looks at vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna and AstraZeneca, offering a breakdown of the different injuries and deaths purportedly associated with each vaccine using numbers from a European Union-maintained database called EudraVigilance.

The implication is the COVID-19 vaccines are harmful and could result in injury or death.

However, the numbers are taken out of context to exaggerate the risk of vaccines.

The EudraVigilance database itself cautions the information it collects is for "suspected side effects ... but which are not necessarily related to our caused by the medicine."

"Information on suspected side effects should not be interpreted as meaning that the medicine or the active substance causes the observed effect or is unsafe to use," EudraVigilance’s website says. "Only a detailed evaluation and scientific assessment of all available data allows for robust conclusions to be drawn on the benefits and risks of a medicine."

Taking the raw data of possible COVID-19 vaccination reactions at face value and using them without context is an oft-used tactic by people attempting to undermine public confidence in the vaccines, according to the New York Times. They frequently interpret the numbers from EudraVigilance or from its United States counterpart, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, as evidence of the vaccines’ dangers.:

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by DFEECH

COVID Vaccine Data

Well THAT took a while!

The link takes you to the OPENVAERS website which performs pulls and summarizes the data. The website shows 11,904 deaths which is much higher than expected.

Took some time to track that down and match it to the VAERS date. The OPENVAERS website is showing deaths from the entire world, not just the US (about 5,600 reported).

Putting aside the significant correlation/causation question, *IF* these could be attributed to the vaccine then:

11,904 deaths out of 4.32B doses gives a vaccine death rate of 0.000276%
4,262,000 deaths out of 201,000,000 cases gives a covid death rate of 2.12%

You are 7,700 times more likely to die from covid than from being vaccinated.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Well THAT took a while!

The link takes you to the OPENVAERS website which performs pulls and summarizes the data. The website shows 11,904 deaths which is much higher than expected.

Took some time to track that down and match it to the VAERS date. The OPENVAERS website is showing deaths from the entire world, not just the US (about 5,600 reported).

Putting aside the significant correlation/causation question, *IF* these could be attributed to the vaccine then:

11,904 deaths out of 4.32B doses gives a vaccine death rate of 0.000276%
4,262,000 deaths out of 201,000,000 cases gives a covid death rate of 2.12%

You are 7,700 times more likely to die from covid than from being vaccinated.

And that is a HUGE IF

[gidget72]

Thank you for your post and sending healing for your brother