The Americans can't agree on anything - the Russian hacks and trolls have worked their magic. America is now set up for an invasion from within.

Not likely. From Politifact

information from Global Research, a Canadian website run by the Centre for Research on Globalization, which was accused by NATO of posting conspiracy theories, spreading Russian disinformation and undermining Western media.

The post specifically looks at vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna and AstraZeneca, offering a breakdown of the different injuries and deaths purportedly associated with each vaccine using numbers from a European Union-maintained database called EudraVigilance.

The implication is the COVID-19 vaccines are harmful and could result in injury or death.

However, the numbers are taken out of context to exaggerate the risk of vaccines.

The EudraVigilance database itself cautions the information it collects is for "suspected side effects ... but which are not necessarily related to our caused by the medicine."

"Information on suspected side effects should not be interpreted as meaning that the medicine or the active substance causes the observed effect or is unsafe to use," EudraVigilance’s website says. "Only a detailed evaluation and scientific assessment of all available data allows for robust conclusions to be drawn on the benefits and risks of a medicine."

Taking the raw data of possible COVID-19 vaccination reactions at face value and using them without context is an oft-used tactic by people attempting to undermine public confidence in the vaccines, according to the New York Times. They frequently interpret the numbers from EudraVigilance or from its United States counterpart, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, as evidence of the vaccines’ dangers.:

Well THAT took a while!

The link takes you to the OPENVAERS website which performs pulls and summarizes the data. The website shows 11,904 deaths which is much higher than expected.

Took some time to track that down and match it to the VAERS date. The OPENVAERS website is showing deaths from the entire world, not just the US (about 5,600 reported).

Putting aside the significant correlation/causation question, *IF* these could be attributed to the vaccine then:

11,904 deaths out of 4.32B doses gives a vaccine death rate of 0.000276%
4,262,000 deaths out of 201,000,000 cases gives a covid death rate of 2.12%

You are 7,700 times more likely to die from covid than from being vaccinated.

And that is a HUGE IF

Thank you for your post and sending healing for your brother

When you go to the border and take an unedited video, then I might believe you.

All that data is just garbage until edited then...ok

Phizer just finished it's study and nervous system disorders numbers are in the 130,000 ish range ....not sure why.

Thanks for shedding light on that issue. The US is drowning in a sea of misinformation. It IS difficult for the average person (myself included) to find truth when there are many (very clever) panderers of sophisticated misinformation. Kudos!

No need for ME to go to the border since videos of hundreds of crossers several times a day is available IF you wish to search for it on the Web. If you look for it you might even find some live feeds of them crossing. Besides, since when do we worry about those crossing at our entry points? It's the illegal aliens we are concerned about and they are not being stopped by an invisible border. Building the wall was stopped you know.

Thanks for putting that data in an understandable % form and having a conclusion.

Neurological disorders have been found in children that have had the CV disease - not from the vaccine. And sorry, IMO that 130,000 number looks large for whatever it was supposed to mean. In general, I find your posts to be either confused or confusing to me?

Please go back to New York and your great Governor
 

Please go back to New York and your great Governor

We did! (...in at least the last two presidential elections)

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How about ENFORCING the existing laws which state that it is ILLEGAL to enter our country without going through an entry point? How about we charge employers with a crime if they hire illegal aliens? My family was inoculated at Ellis Island when they immigrated to America. It was a requirement. What changed?

I did not know kids pay property tax used to fund schools. When did that happen?

You left out, "it is illegal unless you are seeking asylum and turn yourself into the first border guard you see".

Second, I totally and completely agree with you - if we would start enforcing laws that make it illegal to hire undocumented aliens, so a few CEOs get BIG fines and prison time. I think the jobs for them would dry up and crossing into the US would look less attractive.

Even if they still come, at least the rich CEOs making money off them would be punished for breaking the laws.

LOL! not statistically valid sample size
 

sample size 1, statistically not a valid sample size.

The problem with humans and social media, is that they believe that sample size of 1 from a friend or relative or poster is a statistically valid view point to support their beliefs. . . there is a virologist doctor in MA whose mother in law believes the sample size of 1 over the researcher highly educated doctor. . .

A book called "Death of Expertise" studies this phenomena and does support the conclusion that yes, a layperson can be right when the educated/expert is wrong, BUT the educated will be right much, much more often than the layperson is right

look at lots of data, large sample sizes, not the same answers at all, but the human brain has a hard time processing small non zero probabilities. . . due to the the cognitive bias of over optimism
http://25cognitivebiases.com/bias-13...optimism-bias/

link through twitter of a covid hospitalization self documentation https://twitter.com/i/status/1423260524637298689
a non believer until it happens to him personally. . .

you can learn from others or you can learn from experience, in this case i choose to learn from others. . . the experience might not end the way i want. . .

data guy

If they refuse vaccination, send them back where they came from. PERIOD!

Thank you so much for your common sense. Attacking people doesn’t ever work

I haven't read all 12 pages of expert replies, but I'm wondering if anyone considered the FACT that Florida is one of the LARGEST summer vacation destinations?

Doesn't your COMMON SENSE tell you that all of these people coming from EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY, bouncing through numerous airports, might cause a spike?
How about all of your kids/grandkids coming HERE, in the SAME fashion?
I remember seeing lots of little kids HERE, at the HEIGHT of the pre-vaccine Rona.

My friend up in Perry FL (retired Tampa PD) with his OWN eyes, saw a bus load of illegals dropped off at his local wallymart to do some shopping.
Bet THEY are all vaccinated... (Eyeroll)
They've been sharing the air for a 4 state drive....in a bus....that isn't equipped with hepafiltering air scrubbers.. ONE family would infect that 40+ passenger bus...then they wander Wal-Mart, and every OTHER place they ate, slept, used the bathroom on the way.

How thick ARE people?

But it's people who didn't get the vaccinations fault....
Hmmm

THAT is correct. There are an many more Americans un-vaccinated than illegal immigrants. That is just pure simple numbers but it stands to reason un-vaxxed Americans pose much more of a threat than the illegal immigrants.

It’s the illegal immigrants bringing NEW variants from South America that are the problem. They are released infected and bussed to unannounced areas of the country and seed the new variants.
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In early 2021, the Gamma variant began to spread beyond Brazil, especially in border cities in Peru, Chile, and Uruguay. By February, 80 percent of cases in the Uruguayan border city of Rivera, were identified as the Gamma variant. Nationally, that number was just 15 percent of sequenced cases at the time. By June, nine out of 10 sequenced cases in Uruguay were of the Gamma variant.

Experts vary on why the Gamma variant has been so prolific. Some believe that it has a contagion rate twice that of the original strain of the disease. Others posit that it is Gamma's high reinfection rate that's driven cases upward. One study found that one in six of those infected with the coronavirus in Manaus was reinfected by Gamma. As a result, many countries both inside and outside of Latin America banned travel from Brazil and other affected countries.

It is the unvaccinated that are the problem, full stop. Whether they be the relative handful that are coming across the border or the 100 million that were already here, it is the unvaccinated that are the problem.

All the more reason every American who can should get themselves vaccinated.

Well, if EVERY person that came into FL was vaccinated, then COMMON SENSE would say there would be no more cases because of them. (Or VERY FEW).

So, yeah, it's the un-vaccinated.

Hmmm...

You make a good point.

Let's say that a million come across the border. And let's say NONE of them accept the offered vaccinations - just to have one less point to nitpick.

If we have 100 million (maybe more?) Americans unvaccinated the immigrants will make up 1% of the unvaccinated.

It seems a LOT of people here feel stopping that 1% is our top priority - while the 99% are a bigger problem.

Maybe, just maybe it isn't that they are unvaccinated, it is that they are here illegally? So wrapping that up in a COVID bow, is how to sneak politics into a COVID thread?

Hmmm...

It's not politics unless YOU are making it so. If ONE illegal that is infected comes into the country, that is just one more INFECTED that should not have been here to begin with. If we had enforced the laws, that person would not be infecting and passing on the virus. It has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with how many non-vaccinated CITIZENS are here. The ONLY politics involved would be why the laws are not being enforced. And that is a leadership problem, not a political one.



About 40% of our population is children under 12 years of age. They CANNOT be vaccinated yet. Over 70% (exact number is give or take a few)of adults in our country have at been vaccinated. That leaves about 30% of the adults that still haven't been vaccinated. According to the CDC Approx. 35% of US citizens have been infected with COVID. About 38% of adults have not been vaccinated and about 58% of children 12-17 have not been vaccinated.

So, if 35% of adults have been infected with the virus and have been told NOT to get vaccinated, that leaves only about 3% of the adults still unvaccinated that probably should consider getting their shots. To be honest with you, I think that children unless they have medical issues that indicate a need for protection should wait on getting vaccinated. So far children are in most cases handling the virus very well.

So 3% of adults still need to be vaccinated. I don't know the figures but that is probably a lower number than those that DON'T get the flu shot every year. I know that some of the resident experts will argue with my reasoning but I am just looking at this from an average citizen's view, not a medical professional or scientist. We all know that numbers can be manipulated.

You mean cameras installed by the government who you don't trust, or cameras installed by people who may have an agenda? Cal me a Missourian.

Interesting that the Gov says parents should have the freedom to decide what's good for their children. Does that also mean parents can decide to not install child car safety seats? Shouldn't all of the taxpayers who actually pay for the education also have a say?

Would a TV resident who installed security cameras outside his/her home have an "agenda"? I think they would. Their agenda would be to monitor and protect their property. Citizens who see an unmitigated ingress of undocumented people across the southern border probably feel the same way. Call me an American.