The numbers are not only COVID counts. It’s a total beds that have patients. ( surgery patients-other related sickness )CEO of hospitals explained! The numbers for covid is down in the hospitals. Stop panicking . Yes new viruses bringing in new patients. Get the shot! Be careful. Prayers for border to be close, they are bringing in virus and more.

$25,000 sign-on bonus for nurses in Arkansas.

And you know more than they do, right.......??????

Except that statement is an ERROR. Not even close to true.

Just a tad late...

Plus, many have been refusing vaccinations...

They've been used as pawns by the teacher's union for the last year and a half...

Not meaning to argue with you but how are they treating infections and what is the increase in survival rate due to their new found treatment?

I think you would need to direct that question to the person I was responding to. I think his post included something like 5000 deaths from the vaccine and other nonsense.

But to question your question, who is treating what infections with what that increases survival from what?

Illinois Department of Health stated that ANYONE who had covid at the time of death, regardless of the cause of death would be counted as a covid death...

IDPH Director explains how Covid deaths are classified

Care to back up that "accepted fact"?

Not that I don't take your word for it, but I don't...

Since you are the resident expert I was asking how the hospital patients were being treated and how the recent success has changed the survival rate. The reason I ask is that they do not seem to need the respirators as much as they did in the beginning of the crisis. I would think that the success they have had in hospitals would be a positive factor in survival rate of the virus.

The CDC states that of the supposed 600K+ covid deaths, only 300K (or so) were directly due to covid...

Couldn't find the Missouri post but Ads like this are popping up on my FB page.

Well, I've been retired 6 years so I am not actively treating COVID patients in an inpatient setting. I do however still talk with colleagues that are still in practice and have a reasonable understanding of medicine.

I think the answer to your question is multifactorial:

First, even a year ago, I think the media hype over mechanical ventilation was more than the number of respirators that were actually used----NY is a good example.

Next, the treatment remains largely supportive----fluids, mechanical ventilation if needed, standard antivirals and the usual antibiotics for secondary bacterial infections.

And some of these patients have been vaccinated so they probably do better because of that.

But probably the biggest reason for better survival is that providers have gained more experience treating these cases---almost all diseases do better as experience treating them is gained.

The border is closed. It has been closed since last year, except for unaccompanied children. Where did you get your information?

The following is from Homeland Security, but I have not been to the border to see for myself, and I'm certainly not going to listen to politicians tell me there is a crisis.

Statement by Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro N. Mayorkas Regarding the Situation at the Southwest Border | Homeland Security

Did not mean to hijack the thread but I was wondering what medications were being used now, antibiotics or what? I had read that the patients hospitalized were non-vaxxed so the survivors must have been receiving updated, improved treatment.

And students in schools in most Florida counties have the option of mask or no mask. So, likely, the parents that do NOT believe in vaccines or masks will send THEIR children to school. And the parents that would PREFER a mask mandate are basically screwed. Currently, many parents are NOT going back to their jobs nationwide and particularly in Florida because they might BE FORCED to home-school their children. IMO this is a terrible hardship of decision and confusion to FORCE on young parents ( who are the future of this state and the US).

Of course, one solution to this problem would be to have separate schools - one for the maskless unvaccinated and another for masked and vaccinated children. Also, of course, very few Floridian taxpayers are going to agree to have their property taxed DOUBLED to pay for dual-track schools. And even if possible, it IS too late to put it in place for this school year.

So, back to parents being "used and abused" particularly in Florida......many will be paying taxes for schools and receiving NO benefits while home-schooling children. This will have the long-term result of "dumbing down" US future society. I personally, do NOT believe that this is some conspiracy situation of a conscientious nature. I just warn that the long-term effect could be a regretful blunder.

Closing the border gates does not seem to be reducing the amount of illegals entering. Yes, the border is open.

Not sure what point you are trying to make, but if only 300K (or so) were directly due to covid.... then what were the other 300K due to?

It is not debatable that there were over 500,000 excess deaths in 2020. I believe suicides went up some but it has been asserted that flu deaths went down. If some auto accidents were attributed to covid then those went down a little but I'm sure other categories, perhaps heart disease, went up a little. But overall, there have been more than 600,000 excess deaths.

If only 300,000 of those excess deaths can be attributed to covid, then what happened in the last 18 months to cause an additional 300,000 deaths ABOVE what is normal even with covid included?

Uh, the rest of us are paying taxes to pay for schooling also and do not have children in school. Recon we don't see "benefits" either. I agree that it is possible for home schooling to "dumb down" the kids, but sending them to public school is "dumbing them down" anyway. The kids will be fine as long as adults don't find the need to use them for political purposes. Let them go back to school and worry about infection and seriousness when it happens.

Poppycock. The Lancet is anything but respected when it comes to info on COVID. Article stating HQC was deadly to hospitalized patients was retracted. It published a letter from 'respected' MD's stating COVID was natural and not man made. Pretty obvious that's not the truth.

Who says none of the deaths were related to the FLU? They are saying that the tests do not know the difference between COVID and the FLU and that is why they are discontinuing the test, right? Some deaths were classified "death WITH Covid" and some were classified as BY Covid. Maybe the death count related to Covid is padded? Just guessing.

Well..........TV Land is a MAGNET for illegals because of all the construction jobs and lawn mowing and landscaping projects and associated jobs for them. So, we ourselves are very much to blame for the rush over the border.

From the CDC's VARES site in May that tracks adverse reactions:

Notable
Deaths, Reported: 3,018

I remember hearing that figure went up over 5,000 until the CDC tweaked the numbers bringing them down considerably. Not sure what the criteria is in coming up with the VARES figures but to me it simply gives another reason not to trust the CDC.

My guess is the other 300,000 were due to hospitals receiving bonus payments for every COVID death recorded.

They were really, really sick... A stiff breeze woulda' got them...

ie, Hospice patients, COPD patients, Cancer patients, etc...

And you're assuming that that would be 300K ABOVE normal...

Then there are no cold bodies to go along with those 300,000? There were only 3.1M deaths in 2020 and not the 3.4M+ that the CDC is reporting?

The CDC has been all over the place with regards to the number of deaths...

I am not the poster you are referring to, and I do not know more than the CDC, but I do know that our government, and their agencies, are not trustworthy. Just look at the case of water quality in Flint, Michigan, how about the air quality for first responders of 911, not to mention the fact that agent orange was "safe" to use as a defoliant. Hell, they didn't even call Viet-Nam a war, they called it a conflict so they could get away with minimizing benefits for veterans. And we are to trust our great government, and the agencies they have created?? No thanks, not me.

I don't see the importance of that DETAIL. A CV hospitalization RECORD is a BAD thing. The CV trend is NOT Florida's friend. The BIG PICTURE remains the same - get vaccinated before Lambda or some future variant can COMPLETELY overpower our Hospital systems.

Just how many of those 5000 deaths have been attributed DIRECTLY to the vaccine? Not too many from the information I have read about that.

Where are you getting your information from? certainly not from Our governor DeSantis, you are wrong very very wrong over inflated. Signed,
Concerned

They came for money and a better life. But, their better life cost legal residents in MONEY and a lower quality of their life. Our roads and bridges are crumbling and overcrowded with just LEGAL residents. The ILLEGAL residents are driving the US downward into a 3rd rate country just by sheer numbers. IMO diversity is a good thing, but the US started being OVER-diversified when the population passed 275 million people. Most illegal immigrants are NOT rocket scientist-types. They will be RENDERED EXTRANEOUS by A.I. and ROBOTICS in the NEAR future. Then, you can't make them evaporate or have them colonize MARS. Our immigration laws were made by RICH PEOPLE that wanted to keep minimum wages LOW! It has left the complete US society with a LOWER quality of life. And please remember that I said that I did believe in the concept of diversity, NOT runaway diversity.

Confidence reigns supreme in the camp of the misinformed and propagandized!

How about we vote on illegal immigration as part of the next election!

1. Not really. The numbers have been fairly consistent given the notice on the page that in many cases they are preliminary. The problem is usually that people haven't taken the time to understand what the datasets are.

2. Either only 300K of the 600K can be directly attributed to covid or only 300K of the 600K actually ever existed. In the former case, the other 300K died of something, so what was it? In the latter case, the other 300K never existed and never died and the states, the CDC, the WaPo, the NYT, the CovidTrackingProject, and many other sources are lying to us.

There is too much consistency in the 600K number to believe those people never really existed.

Thank you for setting the record straight. The US and TV Land are swimming in a sea of deliberate misinformation!

Just out...In Europe alone.

They say that there is a 1ST time for everything.