[ColdNoMore]

But not in a good way.


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Florida sets new single-day record for coronavirus cases, adding 2,783.

Florida set a new record for single-day coronavirus cases, with 2,783 infections recorded Tuesday. That brings the state to more than 80,000 cases since the pandemic began locally more than three months ago.

The state also added 55 deaths, bringing the total to 3,085. Hospitalizations of residents and non-residents increased by 191 people.

While we seem to be holding our own here in TV, after seeing/reading so many who are against wearing masks and are downplaying the danger, even given that so many of us are in the most vulnerable demographics...I just hope and my fingers are crossed, that we continue to be spared.

I do feel for those areas however (high density/poor health services availability/dependency on public transit/Etc.) ...that aren't as fortunate.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

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While we seem to be holding our own here in TV, after seeing/reading so many who are against wearing masks and are downplaying the danger, even given that so many of us are in the most vulnerable demographics...I just hope and my fingers are crossed, that we continue to be spared.

I do feel for those areas however (high density/poor health services availability/dependency on public transit/Etc.) ...that aren't as fortunate.

Did you read this morning's article from Europe that says genetics may have much to play in some people who have more serious cases, such as having type A blood? I know that some say that more people get it in poor areas and blame lack of good health care but it could be connected to genetics.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

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While we seem to be holding our own here in TV, after seeing/reading so many who are against wearing masks and are downplaying the danger, even given that so many of us are in the most vulnerable demographics...I just hope and my fingers are crossed, that we continue to be spared.

I do feel for those areas however (high density/poor health services availability/dependency on public transit/Etc.) ...that aren't as fortunate.

70% of the this record new high of cases come from just 7 counties, Dade, Palm Beach, Broward, Lee, Hillsborough, Orange, and Duval. The same places where the largest George Floyd protests have taken place.

Counties like Sumter with no large protests = 4 new cases in last week. No big spikes in places without protests.

[ColdNoMore]

Much more likely than an unproved connection to "genetics," is that the higher % of people of color, per capita, getting infected/dying is because they are the ones more likely to have lower paid positions and be considered "essential"...thus, have no choice but to work.

Sanitation, transit workers, convenience store employees, lower echelon health workers, social workers, Etc., Etc. are the ones...that let us hide in our houses.

And yes, I'm one of those "hiding," but I am at least grateful/appreciative for those who are making us lucky ones...be able to hide in the first place.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

70% of the this record new high of cases come from just 7 counties, Dade, Palm Beach, Broward, Lee, Hillsborough, Orange, and Duval. The same places where the largest George Floyd protests have taken place.

Counties like Sumter with no large protests = 4 new cases in last week. No big spikes in places without protests.

Despite wishful thinking and until actual proof otherwise, which is impossible if you're not making much of an effort to do 'contact tracing' I'm going with this...instead of just an opinion.

Correlation Does Not Imply Causation.

In statistics, the phrase "correlation does not imply causation" refers to the inability to legitimately deduce a cause-and-effect relationship between two variables solely on the basis of an observed association or correlation between them.[1][2]

The idea that "correlation implies causation" is an example of a questionable-cause logical fallacy, in which two events occurring together are taken to have established a cause-and-effect relationship.

This fallacy is also known by the Latin phrase cum hoc ergo propter hoc ("with this, therefore because of this").

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

70% of the this record new high of cases come from just 7 counties, Dade, Palm Beach, Broward, Lee, Hillsborough, Orange, and Duval. The same places where the largest George Floyd protests have taken place.

Counties like Sumter with no large protests = 4 new cases in last week. No big spikes in places without protests.

Thanks for sharing this appreciate it.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Despite wishful thinking and until actual proof otherwise, which is impossible if you're not making much of an effort to do 'contact tracing' I'm going with this...instead of just an opinion.

Correlation Does Not Imply Causation.

Correlation can mean causation sometimes, sometimes not. You have to look at the data and all the variables involved. We know covid 19 is passed from person to person. We know that average time from exposure to symptoms is 5-6 days. Florida reopened on May 4. New cases were flat for all of May. Protests started end of May. New cases start rising in first week of June, and by second week of June setting new records.



Some new cases are coming from reopening, but the large spikes did not happen until after the large protests. Contact tracing is impossible in a marching crowd of 100,000. That's a red herring which you probably know.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Correlation can mean causation sometimes, sometimes not. You have to look at the data and all the variables involved. We know covid 19 is passed from person to person. We know that average time from exposure to symptoms is 5-6 days. Florida reopened on May 4. New cases were flat for all of May. Protests started end of May. New cases start rising in first week of June, and by second week of June setting new records.

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Some new cases are coming from reopening, but the large spikes did not happen until after the large protests. Contact tracing is impossible in a marching crowd of 100,000. That's a red herring which you probably know.

Let me repeat, without any actual proof...Correlation Does Not Imply Causation.

And it doesn't take much effort, to ask those who are diagnosed if they, or anyone they have been in contact with... had attended any rallies/large gatherings?

BUT, we aren't even bothering...to do that.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Let me repeat, without any actual proof...Correlation Does Not Imply Causation.

And it doesn't take much effort, to ask those who are diagnosed if they, or anyone they have been in contact with... had attended any rallies/large gatherings?

BUT, we aren't even bothering...to do that.

The dates and times from exposure to symptoms provide proof. If reopening was causing a huge spike it would have happened sometime in May. Exposure to death is 3-4 weeks. New cases were flat all of May. No death spikes either in May. Hiding ones head in the sand does no good. Spikes do not happen for no reason. The virus passes from person to person, huge numbers of people marching shoulder to shoulder while chanting and screaming are a recipe for new case spikes.

By the way:

NYC's contact tracers have been told not to ask people if they've attended a protest

NYC contact tracers told not to ask if people have attended a protest - Business Insider

I can't imagine why they would do this, well actually I can since the officials and health departments blessed the protests repeatedly.

[ColdNoMore]

Are we to take your repeated and unproved assertions...that you're against rallies/large gatherings then?


For the record...I'm not.


P.S. Per your link:

"If a person wants to proactively offer that information, there is an opportunity for them to do so."

Contact tracers track the spread of the coronavirus — connections and potential exposures — "without revealing the identity of the case,"

"We've begun doing—almost very similar to our COVID [work] — it's contact tracing," Minnesota Public Safety Commissioner John Harrington said on May 30, just five days after Floyd was killed. "Who are they associated with? What platforms are they advocating for? ... Is this organized crime? ... We are in the process right now of building that information network."

Harrington's announcement wrought concern among protesters, privacy advocates, and health experts, who said he was misleading the public.

"Law enforcement strategies, where they are trying to track people down that are concerning to them, that is not contact tracing," David C. Harvey, executive director of the National Coalition of STD Directors, told Slate.

It is unclear whether anti-racist protests have contributed to a new wave of infections.

In other words, across the board.

It's also curious that LEO's would try to build a database...of those protesting.

Why would that be?

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Are we to take your repeated and unproved assertions...that you're against rallies/large gatherings then?


For the record...I'm not.

During a highly contagious pandemic I sure am against them. Otherwise don't care. I also find it incredulous that the very same officials and health departments that are still prohibiting mass groups of people, funerals, fans at outdoor sporting events gave their blessing to mass groups of people protesting.

Here is another correlation for you, why have counties like Sumter and most of the rest in Florida that did not have large protests not show any large spikes in new cases? They all reopened May 4 as well.

Also, 3 of the biggest spikes have occurred in Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach, all three of these are operating under tighter restrictions than the rest of Florida.

[DONKEY10]

Of course it's genetics. Why are so many asymptomatic and some very sick.

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

The dates and times from exposure to symptoms provide proof. If reopening was causing a huge spike it would have happened sometime in May.

I beg to differ. Infections grow exponentially. It isn’t much at first, but then gradually grows and then seems to explode. Snowballing...

However, I’m willing to change my mind if you can share logic that shows me I’m wrong.

[PugMom]

i saw the article, although i can't remember where, it may have been the daily mail. somewhere in the report i saw was the millions who had the virus have now gotten better, & even using dexamethazone, of all things, a well known steroid. so as time goes on, we can learn more about the cure?

[Villages Kahuna]

How long will it last here?

Some friends ventured out for dinner at an outside table at Cane Garden earlier this week. They made sure to wear masks while being escorted to their table outside. But while walking past the bar they reported it was two-deep all around, noisy, animated, not one person with a mask, just like the old normal.

Isn’t the “rule” in Villages facilities “mask and distancing”? It won’t be normal for either Cane Garden patrons or it’s restaurant-bar for very long. It was our favorite, but with this report we’re not tempted to venture back again very soon.