[gadaboutgal]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

It would violate site rules to explain it completely. We know that a large percentage of the media leans one way. We know there is an election in November. Persuading the country that most of us are racists and that police brutality is a huge problem might motivate certain demographics. Also, attempting to promote the idea that reopening is dangerous is one way of keeping the economy in a depressed state.

So I think you are saying the large groups of people mingling for whatever reason increases the rate of the virus spreading?
Please explain why you think that reopening the economy is not dangerous when it seems you already professed to believe that allowing people to gather in large numbers has contributed to our largest counties having increased Covid positives? My opinion is your logic does not compute.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

But not in a good way.


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While we seem to be holding our own here in TV, after seeing/reading so many who are against wearing masks and are downplaying the danger, even given that so many of us are in the most vulnerable demographics...I just hope and my fingers are crossed, that we continue to be spared.

I do feel for those areas however (high density/poor health services availability/dependency on public transit/Etc.) ...that aren't as fortunate.

The US is #1, very Biggley little Piggley. And everybody knows, who to blame. Can you say, what is a DPA? Everybody knows, that Ca. is wearing masks. Everybody knows, it is the law. Everybody knows, that the mask works. That's how it goes, when everybody knows. Everybody knows, the war is over. Everybody knows the virus won! That's how it goes, everybody knows. If 60% of the people wore their masks 60% of the time the Virus would go away. That's how it goes, when Science knows.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

70% of the this record new high of cases come from just 7 counties, Dade, Palm Beach, Broward, Lee, Hillsborough, Orange, and Duval. The same places where the largest George Floyd protests have taken place.

Counties like Sumter with no large protests = 4 new cases in last week. No big spikes in places without protests.

What about churches? They are indoor. They just opened for business. Maybe your neighbor goes to church?? Who IS John Galt?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Much more likely than an unproved connection to "genetics," is that the higher % of people of color, per capita, getting infected/dying is because they are the ones more likely to have lower paid positions and be considered "essential"...thus, have no choice but to work.

Sanitation, transit workers, convenience store employees, lower echelon health workers, social workers, Etc., Etc. are the ones...that let us hide in our houses.

And yes, I'm one of those "hiding," but I am at least grateful/appreciative for those who are making us lucky ones...be able to hide in the first place.

Good empathy-brings you in from the cold. Who IS John Galt?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Let me repeat, without any actual proof...Correlation Does Not Imply Causation.

And it doesn't take much effort, to ask those who are diagnosed if they, or anyone they have been in contact with... had attended any rallies/large gatherings?

BUT, we aren't even bothering...to do that.

Causation implies a SLOW START to becoming #!. Go Italy! Girl, at least YOU have Universal Health Care.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

During a highly contagious pandemic I sure am against them. Otherwise don't care. I also find it incredulous that the very same officials and health departments that are still prohibiting mass groups of people, funerals, fans at outdoor sporting events gave their blessing to mass groups of people protesting.

Here is another correlation for you, why have counties like Sumter and most of the rest in Florida that did not have large protests not show any large spikes in new cases? They all reopened May 4 as well.

Also, 3 of the biggest spikes have occurred in Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach, all three of these are operating under tighter restrictions than the rest of Florida.

Those counties get a lot of TOURISTS. Also, they contain many ethnic groups that DO NOT have the luxury of another ethnic group that can work from home. Lots of variables. A little logic and empathy forces out the answer.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Windguy

I beg to differ. Infections grow exponentially. It isn’t much at first, but then gradually grows and then seems to explode. Snowballing...

However, I’m willing to change my mind if you can share logic that shows me I’m wrong.

Good post, good opinion.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

How long will it last here?

Some friends ventured out for dinner at an outside table at Cane Garden earlier this week. They made sure to wear masks while being escorted to their table outside. But while walking past the bar they reported it was two-deep all around, noisy, animated, not one person with a mask, just like the old normal.

Isn’t the “rule” in Villages facilities “mask and distancing”? It won’t be normal for either Cane Garden patrons or it’s restaurant-bar for very long. It was our favorite, but with this report we’re not tempted to venture back again very soon.

Smart man.Nice tan. That even rhymes.

Originally Posted by GoodLife

It would violate site rules to explain it completely. We know that a large percentage of the media leans one way. We know there is an election in November. Persuading the country that most of us are racists and that police brutality is a huge problem might motivate certain demographics. Also, attempting to promote the idea that reopening is dangerous is one way of keeping the economy in a depressed state.

Ok. I’ll have to think on that a bit, but I get what you’re saying.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by gadaboutgal

So I think you are saying the large groups of people mingling for whatever reason increases the rate of the virus spreading?
Please explain why you think that reopening the economy is not dangerous when it seems you already professed to believe that allowing people to gather in large numbers has contributed to our largest counties having increased Covid positives? My opinion is your logic does not compute.

Not just me, lots of epidemiologists are saying this. When you have people marching shoulder to shoulder, chanting and screaming, this is a recipe for contagion. In a packed protest march, you can have 9 people in a 6 foot by 6 foot square. Screaming and chanting loudly expels more virus from infected individuals.

The reopening rules in Florida are very specific, spacing of tables in restaurants, limited occupancy etc. Large groups, I think more than 10 are still prohibited. Maintain 6 foot social distancing etc etc. Somehow the large protests are exempt from all the rules.

I didn't just pull my theory out of thin air. I saw the headlines "Florida cases spiking" and wanted to find out where in Florida this was happening. I found that 70 percent of the new cases were coming from 7 counties. I saw that the big spikes started on June 12 and were in the same locations as the biggest protests. I also saw zero spikes in Counties like Sumter, which had no large protests. The Villages reopened May 4, why no spike in cases here or many other Florida counties?

Some new cases will happen, like the restaurant in Jacksonville that wasn't following guidelines. 16 people were infected, most likely from the 7 waiters and bartenders that were found to be positive and weren't wearing masks. Maybe the bartenders and waiters went to the protests in Jacksonville a week before.

It doesn't really matter if you think my logic doesn't compute. Perhaps you will take the time to research the data and come up with a better theory.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by allus70

NY now has one of the lowest infection rates in the country.
Florida has one of the highest.
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo considers 14-day quarantine for Florida visitors | wgrz.com

Irony reigns supreme in the camp of the Plague. We ARE # 1.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

I didn't just pull my theory out of thin air. I saw the headlines "Florida cases spiking" and wanted to find out where in Florida this was happening. I found that 70 percent of the new cases were coming from 7 counties. I saw that the big spikes started on June 12 and were in the same locations as the biggest protests. I also saw zero spikes in Counties like Sumter, which had no large protests. The Villages reopened May 4, why no spike in cases here or many other Florida counties?

Yeah you did. You disobeyed "correlation does not equal causation," the primary tenet of good research.

Using your logic:

The top 3 spikes in Florida have occurred in shoreline counties. Therefore, it's the people going to the beach causing the spikes.


Do you see how that just really doesn't seem to make sense? That it feels flat, that this one thing can't possibly be the primary reason, there has to be more to it?

More than you might know, since you aren't a scientist, you're not doing any actual research, you're just doing some google headline searches and coming to conclusions based on someone else's version of a summary they found from a third or fourth party who might have worked with dozens of other people on the actual research.

[billethkid]

Coming soon .....mandatory masks in FL mandated by Desantis.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com

Oh yes let’s just blame the protesters, God is punishing them just like he did aids patients in the 80’s , let’s not take into consideration that they have started to test more or the fact that our governor shut down to late and opened to early , yes the protest will cause some more cases , but also the fact is people who live in denser areas are going to have more cases . Before you point fingers , just look around villages and see that people aren’t doing what they should , I’ve been to a few restaurants but the outside bars are a mess,and do yourself a favor at least put your mask on if you go into a restaurant or public bathroom, it’s a close space and people from everywhere are going to be tight on top of you

Best post of the morning. Very intelligent, detailed, and informative. You go, Charleyo!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Dana1963

Wearing a mask is NOT A POLITICAL STATEMENT!

Wearing of masks, is a statement of SCIENCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!