[Chi-Town]

Orange County and Orlando will have a mandatory public mask executive order tomorrow, but it wil be voluntary.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

Orange County and Orlando will have a mandatory public mask executive order tomorrow, but it wil be voluntary.

Mandatory means non-voluntary. Means "you DO it Clide" . Needs teeth so Clide, can't slide.

[GoodLife]

Originally posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Yeah you did. You disobeyed "correlation does not equal causation," the primary tenet of good research.

Nope, after I saw the correlation of large protests = large spikes I looked for the opposite. No protests = no spikes. Then I looked at science, average time from exposure to symptoms is 5-6 days. How virus is transmitted person to person. Looked at dates spikes started, looked at dates protests happened. Looked at dates Florida reopened, looked at new cases rates after that. Then I read what epidemiologist were saying about the dangers of large tightly packed groups in protests chanting and yelling loudly expels more virus. Looked at photos of large protests, saw how tightly packed they were.

The top 3 spikes in Florida have occurred in shoreline counties. Therefore, it's the people going to the beach causing the spikes.

Over 50% of Florida counties are on the shoreline. Only a few of them had spikes. Orange county is inland, it had a large spike. These facts blow that theory out of the water.

More than you might know, since you aren't a scientist, you're not doing any actual research, you're just doing some google headline searches and coming to conclusions based on someone else's version of a summary they found from a third or fourth party who might have worked with dozens of other people on the actual research.

Are you sure about this?

[Rosie1950]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Not just me, lots of epidemiologists are saying this. When you have people marching shoulder to shoulder, chanting and screaming, this is a recipe for contagion. In a packed protest march, you can have 9 people in a 6 foot by 6 foot square. Screaming and chanting loudly expels more virus from infected individuals.

The reopening rules in Florida are very specific, spacing of tables in restaurants, limited occupancy etc. Large groups, I think more than 10 are still prohibited. Maintain 6 foot social distancing etc etc. Somehow the large protests are exempt from all the rules.

I didn't just pull my theory out of thin air. I saw the headlines "Florida cases spiking" and wanted to find out where in Florida this was happening. I found that 70 percent of the new cases were coming from 7 counties. I saw that the big spikes started on June 12 and were in the same locations as the biggest protests. I also saw zero spikes in Counties like Sumter, which had no large protests. The Villages reopened May 4, why no spike in cases here or many other Florida counties?

Some new cases will happen, like the restaurant in Jacksonville that wasn't following guidelines. 16 people were infected, most likely from the 7 waiters and bartenders that were found to be positive and weren't wearing masks. Maybe the bartenders and waiters went to the protests in Jacksonville a week before.

It doesn't really matter if you think my logic doesn't compute. Perhaps you will take the time to research the data and come up with a better theory.

Who’s going to DECIDE 5-10 days from tomorrow in Tulsa? With 20,000 in an INDOOR facility shouting and screaming? So I guess YOU would suggest it would be the protesters OUTSIDE!
Our Governor suggests that the spike is coming from immigrant seasonal workers, prisons and long term care facilities. Can you explain his reasoning?

[gadaboutgal]

"Also, attempting to promote the idea that reopening is dangerous is one way of keeping the economy in a depressed state."

Unfortunately, you did not answer my question: If you believe that the Protesters were the cause of the higher Covid count because of their being in close proximity and shouting, then do you not see that reopening in most situations is also dangerous?

And why do you consider the goal to restrict reopenings is also a "way of keeping the economy in a depressed state" Isn't the goal to limit exposure in any way we can? Herd immunity is an impossible goal in the U.S. just as it was in Sweden where they tried but have not reached.Achieving herd immunity is going ‘surprisingly slow’ for Sweden | Fortune

Me thinks you just want to argue politics and are concerned you will be banned if you actually come out with it.

[JoMar]

Non of this really matters does it? We aren't going back to shut down, there are no consequenses for businesses not wearing masks or enforcing social distancing much less individuals, the key indicator is how much hospital capacity is available not cases, not deaths. We can only make our own rules and follow them.

[nututv]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

a mandatory public mask executive order tomorrow, but it will be voluntary.

That just makes no sense at all.

[sloanst]

During the Black Plague, a lot of people died, some got sick and survived and some didn't get sick at all. Modern science has proven that was completely due to genetics, specifically the delta 32 gene. If you had a single copy of the delta 32 gene you would get sick but likely survive. With a double copy of this gene, you wouldn't get sick at all. What does that have to do with today. Those individuals that have a double copy of the delta 32 gene are immune to the AIDS virus. I would bet they are also immune to Covid 19.

[NJblue]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Causation implies a SLOW START to becoming #!. Go Italy! Girl, at least YOU have Universal Health Care.

I really think you should be careful extolling Universal Health Care in Italy as a positive thing. Italy, with its Universal Health Care, had to choose which people that they would let die for lack of respirators and had people stacked up in hospitals like cord wood. Meanwhile, NYC had a much higher case load per capita than did Italy yet they never lacked for respirators or hospital space. If any one thing argues against Universal Health Care it is how poor it has proven to be in emergency situations like a pandemic.

[Chi-Town]

Originally Posted by nututv

That just makes no sense at all.

Hard to argue.


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[Viperguy]

Bottom line folks......It aint over so you might want to reconsider hanging out at the local bar with you friends. Saw some partying at a bar in Brownwood like the old days. Pretty stupid if you ask me. Putting the rest of us at risk.

[donassaid]

So what? 98.5% of those who contract the virus recover without complications. Wearing face masks can be harmful to your immune system and can cause pleurisy from breathing your own CO2.

[nututv]

Originally Posted by NJblue

I really think you should be careful extolling Universal Health Care in Italy as a positive thing. Italy, with its Universal Health Care, had to choose which people that they would let die for lack of respirators and had people stacked up in hospitals like cord wood. Meanwhile, NYC had a much higher case load per capita than did Italy yet they never lacked for respirators or hospital space. If any one thing argues against Universal Health Care it is how poor it has proven to be in emergency situations like a pandemic.

Want to see how great Govt run health care is in the US? Easy, visit a VA hospital. Father was Air Force 28 years, I was 6. We'd drive past a VA hosp for a real one.

[newgirl]

Sad

[nututv]

Originally Posted by donassaid

So what? 98.5% of those who contract the virus recover without complications. Wearing face masks can be harmful to your immune system and can cause pleurisy from breathing your own CO2.

I don't believe in them and have yet to wear one. That said, there is no data to back that one up as far as I can tell. Discomfort, absolutely. For me anyway.