[mtdjed]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Let me repeat, without any actual proof...Correlation Does Not Imply Causation.

And it doesn't take much effort, to ask those who are diagnosed if they, or anyone they have been in contact with... had attended any rallies/large gatherings?

BUT, we aren't even bothering...to do that.

And you will obviously support this "No correlation" observation for any rally bringing large groups together.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Coming soon .....mandatory masks in FL mandated by Desantis.

I'm a proponent of mask wearing in public spaces indoors where no social distancing is guaranteed. But.......wondering how this will be enforced?

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Wearing of masks, is a statement of SCIENCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And REASON!!!!!!


Which is antipathetic to...

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

Orange County and Orlando will have a mandatory public mask executive order tomorrow, but it wil be voluntary.

That is an oxymoron.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

And you will obviously support this "No correlation" observation for any rally bringing large groups together.

I think any large groups...are taking a chance.

I believe large groups outside wearing masks, versus the same packed inside, for any reason (sports/rallies/concerts/Etc.) without masks...is simply being idiotic.

We shall see though...eh?

[chet2020]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Not just me, lots of epidemiologists are saying this. When you have people marching shoulder to shoulder, chanting and screaming, this is a recipe for contagion. In a packed protest march, you can have 9 people in a 6 foot by 6 foot square. Screaming and chanting loudly expels more virus from infected individuals.

The reopening rules in Florida are very specific, spacing of tables in restaurants, limited occupancy etc. Large groups, I think more than 10 are still prohibited. Maintain 6 foot social distancing etc etc. Somehow the large protests are exempt from all the rules.

I didn't just pull my theory out of thin air. I saw the headlines "Florida cases spiking" and wanted to find out where in Florida this was happening. I found that 70 percent of the new cases were coming from 7 counties. I saw that the big spikes started on June 12 and were in the same locations as the biggest protests. I also saw zero spikes in Counties like Sumter, which had no large protests. The Villages reopened May 4, why no spike in cases here or many other Florida counties?

Some new cases will happen, like the restaurant in Jacksonville that wasn't following guidelines. 16 people were infected, most likely from the 7 waiters and bartenders that were found to be positive and weren't wearing masks. Maybe the bartenders and waiters went to the protests in Jacksonville a week before.

It doesn't really matter if you think my logic doesn't compute. Perhaps you will take the time to research the data and come up with a better theory.

Per the WSJ, 3,200 Minneapolis protesters tested, 1.8% positive = 48 cases. Boston, 1,288 tested, 1.08% positive = 14 cases.

Sixteen women celebrating a birthday on June 6 go to a bar in Jacksonville FL, all 16 test positive = 16 cases.

It's fair to say the protests contributed to an uptick, but it does not appear they the main component of the surge in new cases.

Early Data Show No Uptick in Covid-19 Transmission From Protests - WSJ

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

Hard to argue.


Masks become mandatory in Orange County, as Florida hits record-high 3,207 new coronavirus cases | Blogs

Mandatory but voluntary. Ridiculous!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by chet2020

Per the WSJ, 3,200 Minneapolis protesters tested, 1.8% positive = 48 cases. Boston, 1,288 tested, 1.08% positive = 14 cases.

Sixteen women celebrating a birthday on June 6 go to a bar in Jacksonville FL, all 16 test positive = 16 cases.

It's fair to say the protests contributed to an uptick, but it does not appear they the main component of the surge in new cases.

Early Data Show No Uptick in Covid-19 Transmission From Protests - WSJ

Protests are outdoors with some wearing masks properly. The bar in Jacksonville is indoors with no mask wearing. What does this tell us?

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Protests are outdoors with some wearing masks properly. The bar in Jacksonville is indoors with no mask wearing. What does this tell us?

That it's perfectly fine & safe to have an indoor gathering...with almost no one wearing a mask?


Answering for a friend.

[allus70]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Yes New York is a real success story with almost 400,000 cases and 31,000 deaths.

Epidemiologists have also proved that New York City citizens fleeing the outbreak there seeded up to 80% of the cases in the USA. Good Job!!

NYC is the financial, cultural & media center of this country.As such, hundreds of thousands Of Europeans & Chinese entered & conducted business here while the virus raged in silence, many carrying the COVID virus, seeding it in the process long before travel to the city was restricted by the Feds. They bore the brunt of the pandemic. The shame of it all is that other states could of and should have learned from their horrendous misfortune and how it was possible to bring it under control. Unfortunately, it seems they won’t.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by allus70

NYC is the financial, cultural & media center of this country.As such, hundreds of thousands Of Europeans & Chinese entered & conducted business here while the virus raged in silence, many carrying the COVID virus, seeding it in the process long before travel to the city was restricted by the Feds. They bore the brunt of the pandemic. The shame of it all is that other states could of and should have learned from their horrendous misfortune and how it was possible to bring it under control. Unfortunately, it seems they won’t.

Nailed it!


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[Marvic 1]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Much more likely than an unproved connection to "genetics," is that the higher % of people of color, per capita, getting infected/dying is because they are the ones more likely to have lower paid positions and be considered "essential"...thus, have no choice but to work.

Sanitation, transit workers, convenience store employees, lower echelon health workers, social workers, Etc., Etc. are the ones...that let us hide in our houses.

You forgot to mention Poor Health, Diabetes, Obesity and Lack of Social Distancing......

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Marvic 1

You forgot to mention Poor Health, Diabetes, Obesity and Lack of Social Distancing......

Actually...you're correct.

There are a plethora of scientific studies, showing how the poor are at a huge disadvantage due to the lack of access to affordable health care, the high cost of eating healthy...but plenty of easy access to cheap, high caloric food.

[Marvic 1]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Actually...you're correct.

There are a plethora of scientific studies, showing how the poor are at a huge disadvantage due to the lack of access to affordable health care, the high cost of eating healthy...but plenty of easy access to cheap, high caloric food.

You said the word "Poor".
I didn't know they did away with free healthcare (Medicaid) Food Coupons, Basically free Housing (Section 8) or Welfare checks for the "Poor"?

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Marvic 1

You said the word "Poor".
I didn't know they did away with free healthcare (Medicaid) Food Coupons, Basically free Housing (Section 8) or Welfare checks for the "Poor"?

"Houston, I see why we have such a problem."


Might I suggest you do even just...a little more research?


Thank you.