[Marvic 1]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

"Houston, I see why we have such a problem."


Might I suggest you do even just...a little more research?


Thank you.

Turning a back on reality....


Brother, I don't need to research, I come from the area and have seen what goes on..

Hasta La Vista Amigo!

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by chet2020

Per the WSJ, 3,200 Minneapolis protesters tested, 1.8% positive = 48 cases. Boston, 1,288 tested, 1.08% positive = 14 cases.

Sixteen women celebrating a birthday on June 6 go to a bar in Jacksonville FL, all 16 test positive = 16 cases.

It's fair to say the protests contributed to an uptick, but it does not appear they the main component of the surge in new cases.

Early Data Show No Uptick in Covid-19 Transmission From Protests - WSJ

They tested a small sample of the protesters, not every protester. If every one of the millions who have protested how many positives would that 1.8% rate generate?

And how many did those positive protesters infect before getting tested?

16 women getting infected in a Jacksonville eatery is a spit in the bucket and you conclude that this proves protests are not a major component of the uptick?

Maybe one of the 7 waiters and bartenders who also tested positive was a super spreader. That happened on June 6, there were protests in Jacksonville May 30 and 31. Maybe one or more of those waiters and bartenders went to the protests.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by allus70

NYC is the financial, cultural & media center of this country.As such, hundreds of thousands Of Europeans & Chinese entered & conducted business here while the virus raged in silence, many carrying the COVID virus, seeding it in the process long before travel to the city was restricted by the Feds. They bore the brunt of the pandemic. The shame of it all is that other states could of and should have learned from their horrendous misfortune and how it was possible to bring it under control. Unfortunately, it seems they won’t.

And then those New Yorkers went around the country seeding the virus everywhere. So what exactly should the other States have done. Seal their borders in violation of the Constitution?

[bpascani]

I personally feel that we need to discourage those outside of TV, that have not been sheltering in place, PLEASE DON'T COME VISIT. Also, all Villages people limit outings, maintain social distancing, and wear masks. That's the way we will keep our town safer from COVID 19 (IMHO)

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by NJblue

I really think you should be careful extolling Universal Health Care in Italy as a positive thing. Italy, with its Universal Health Care, had to choose which people that they would let die for lack of respirators and had people stacked up in hospitals like cord wood. Meanwhile, NYC had a much higher case load per capita than did Italy yet they never lacked for respirators or hospital space. If any one thing argues against Universal Health Care it is how poor it has proven to be in emergency situations like a pandemic.

Not true-Finland has minimum cases.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by donassaid

So what? 98.5% of those who contract the virus recover without complications. Wearing face masks can be harmful to your immune system and can cause pleurisy from breathing your own CO2.

Not even close to being true.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by nututv

Want to see how great Govt run health care is in the US? Easy, visit a VA hospital. Father was Air Force 28 years, I was 6. We'd drive past a VA hosp for a real one.

And that colored all future thoughts about maybe(?) the V.A overall is a good organization. If it was so bad there would not be a NEED for a VA in the Villages.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by chet2020

Per the WSJ, 3,200 Minneapolis protesters tested, 1.8% positive = 48 cases. Boston, 1,288 tested, 1.08% positive = 14 cases.

Sixteen women celebrating a birthday on June 6 go to a bar in Jacksonville FL, all 16 test positive = 16 cases.

It's fair to say the protests contributed to an uptick, but it does not appear they the main component of the surge in new cases.

Early Data Show No Uptick in Covid-19 Transmission From Protests - WSJ

1 indoor = bad outcome----2 outdoor = a little bit bad outcome.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by allus70

NYC is the financial, cultural & media center of this country.As such, hundreds of thousands Of Europeans & Chinese entered & conducted business here while the virus raged in silence, many carrying the COVID virus, seeding it in the process long before travel to the city was restricted by the Feds. They bore the brunt of the pandemic. The shame of it all is that other states could of and should have learned from their horrendous misfortune and how it was possible to bring it under control. Unfortunately, it seems they won’t.

Exactamento!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

That it's perfectly fine & safe to have an indoor gathering...with almost no one wearing a mask?


Answering for a friend.

I think you may have meant to say an OUTDOOR gathering...........

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I think you may have meant to say an OUTDOOR gathering...........

Nope.

Satire.

It's obvious, that an indoor gathering without masks (like the ladies in Jax)...is much more dangerous than an outdoor gathering.

[NJblue]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Not true-Finland has minimum cases.

Having universal healthcare has nothing to do with the number of cases but it has a huge impact on the healthcare provided to those who contract Covid. There were massive outbreaks in Italy, Spain and Sweden, all with universal healthcare. Yet these countries had to resort to choosing who was to live and who was to die because of a healthcare system that could not cope with it. Yet, NYC, which had an even bigger outbreak had plenty of ventilators and hospital beds.

While progressives like to paint universal healthcare as a human right and an act of compassion, I urge anyone who may think along these lines to watch this Youtube of how universal healthcare in Sweden is dealing with Covid. As a summary, the government is not allowing anyone over 80 or anyone over 60 with comorbidities to go to the hospital. Instead, they are sent to the equivalent of hospices where they are are deprived of oxygen supplements and instead given drugs that eases the discomfort but which almost certainly guarantees death - in other words, it is government mandated euthanasia. Very compassionate, eh?

Of course, Governor Cuomo has his own cross to bear for the way he treated nursing home patients, but that has nothing to do with universal healthcare.

YouTube

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by NJblue

Having universal healthcare has nothing to do with the number of cases but it has a huge impact on the healthcare provided to those who contract Covid. There were massive outbreaks in Italy, Spain and Sweden, all with universal healthcare. Yet these countries had to resort to choosing who was to live and who was to die because of a healthcare system that could not cope with it. Yet, NYC, which had an even bigger outbreak had plenty of ventilators and hospital beds.

While progressives like to paint universal healthcare as a human right and an act of compassion, I urge anyone who may think along these lines to watch this Youtube of how universal healthcare in Sweden is dealing with Covid. As a summary, the government is not allowing anyone over 80 or anyone over 60 with comorbidities to go to the hospital. Instead, they are sent to the equivalent of hospices where they are are deprived of oxygen supplements and instead given drugs that eases the discomfort but which almost certainly guarantees death - in other words, it is government mandated euthanasia. Very compassionate, eh?

Of course, Governor Cuomo has his own cross to bear for the way he treated nursing home patients, but that has nothing to do with universal healthcare.

YouTube

In trying to abide with TOTV's policy of NO political references, let me just point out that our society, through programs, institutional policies and the ever-increasing wealth gap, has already chosen in a lot of ways as to who gets quality healthcare...and thus has a better/worse chance of dying or becoming seriously ill.

As a nation, why are so many afraid of leveling the playing field and allowing ALL American citizens...the same care?

Isn't THAT, at its core...the definition of being a "patriot?"

[PugMom]

they can't get the 'same' because some can't afford the major plans, of which the aca was. i hear many say medicare for all, but medicare isn't free & i'm not sure how many people actually know that. those who cant afford get medicaid.

[NJblue]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

[SIZE="3"]let me just point out that our society, through programs, institutional policies and the ever-increasing wealth gap, has already chosen in a lot of ways as to who gets quality healthcare...and thus has a better/worse chance of dying or becoming seriously ill.

As a nation, why are so many afraid of leveling the playing field and allowing ALL American citizens...the same care?

Since this topic is primarily one of Covid which had a reference to universal healthcare as a better way of dealing with Covid, it seems appropriate to point out countries which have universal healthcare in which the healthcare system failed miserably. It also seems appropriate to show by contrast how the US healthcare system does not have the same limitations in terms of resources such that we had to resort to euthanasia in order to deal with the crisis. As to every US citizen having access to the same health care, can you provide any documentation that shows that a person in the US who showed up at a hospital with Covid was denied treatment?

To put it another way, would you rather be a poor 80 year old person with Covid in the US or a middle class 80 year old person with Covid in Sweden? That's what universal healthcare in Sweden has given their citizens.