[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye

I drive from Texas to Ohio 3 times a yr. & I yet have seen a charging station

To be fair, the charging stations along any interstate highway are plentiful, but require exiting and driving a mile or so to arrive at.

Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye

& if I would are the chargers all the same do you have to sit in line & wait for 2 other EV’s ahead you for 2,3 or 4 hrs. before it’s your turn

I can't answer that bc I only and always charge my Tesla in my garage. We take the ICE car if we have to drive more than 50 miles.

Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye

plus are you going to be patient enough to wait an 1 1/2 hrs. to charge yours?

Can't speak for others, but I would not, and if that's the case, it's a huge problem.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

To be fair, the charging stations along any interstate highway are plentiful, but require exiting and driving a mile or so to arrive at.


I can't answer that bc I only and always charge my Tesla in my garage. We take the ICE car if we have to drive more than 50 miles.


Can't speak for others, but I would not, and if that's the case, it's a huge problem.

You are a classic example of the "short distance driver" that is being discussed...

Nothing wrong with that. EVs can be a great alternative for someone with your needs.

But... It's also telling that when you need to take any sort of a trip, the EV stays home...

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

You are a classic example of the "short distance driver" that is being discussed...

Nothing wrong with that. EVs can be a great alternative for someone with your needs.

But... It's also telling that when you need to take and sort of a trip, the EV stays home...

Until an EV can go longer distances and charge as quickly as I can fuel up my car see no advantage to getting one. Especially at 3x the cost of my Camry.

[JP]

I think the best idea is a hybrid.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Robbb

The dirty secret that no one is talking about is not how much money they lose per EV. Its how few EV's are being sold!. This article is somewhat misleading as it says they sold 30,000 EV's in Q2, that includes hybrids. True EV sales are app 5,000 per the quarter. Outside of the Ford Lightning pickup truck (at $110,000) they are selling almost No EV's.

The 2 go hand-in-hand - units made and cost per unit. It is that way with any "RUN" of ANYTHING made on a factory line. EVs have better acceleration and braking due to the battery weight being placed lower than the center of gravity of an IC engine vehicle. EVs have fewer parts than IC engine vehicles and, therefore will be more reliable and easier to maintain. Also, no oil to change and NO TRIPS to the gas station for local travel.
........With so many advantages, even Americans will SOON make a big push for EVs. When that happens the price of EVs drop below corresponding IC engine vehicles BECAUSE many, many unit will be purchased. Also in 2024 many more charging stations will be built.
......And, I believe that in 2024 Renault will have a compact EV automobile selling for $29,000 dollars. That sounds like a "game changer" to me. And China is making a lot of RAPID progress in EVs. The US NEEDS EV technology to keep up with China. There is BIG sales potential in Australia, New Zealand, Africa, India, Russia, Europe, and everywhere.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by phylt

As tough as GM, Ford, Stellantis is - and DEFINITELY will be in the near future, VW is tilting toward short term hurt. Their sales in China are WAY down and they have little in the way of EVs. Nissan is worse. Matter of fact even all Japanese makers are in very tough shape financially. Toyota was WAY late to the EV, betting on ICE and Hybrids. Korean car mfrs look good and ahead with EVs.

As said USA cos LOSE mega$$$ on each EV they manage to sell. Tough road ahead for each.

Tesla... well they have the inside track and lightyears ahead of competition. Now Chinese EV mfrs, watch out - they ARE coming. Europe will prob put serious taxes on Chinese imported EVs. And at some point the USA will too.

Agree about the rising problem of Chinese EVs. We and Europe can put tariffs on their cars. But, there is still Australia, New Zealand, India, AFRICA, and South America where we don't have much influence. So that is why the US needs to QUICKLY DOMINATE EV technology. Right now European new car hybrid electric sales are 25%. EU new car all-electric EVs are 15%. In the US only 6% of new car sales are all-electric.
......It makes sense that the EU has greater EV sales than the US because the cost of gasoline is MUCH higher in the EU. The US needs to FIGHT THAT and NOT become complacent and lose our factory and technology edge in EVs. The US government should do everything in its power to bring new EV sales up to about 30%. That would help our environment (like the Florida fishing industry - due to CO2 destroying coral reefs) and the world's environment. It would go a long way toward REVERSING the HEAT experienced here in the US and in the world.
.........So far this summer, worldwide it is the HOTTEST on record.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by gatorbill1

EV vehicles are the future of the automotive industry. If we don't make them, they will come from China or somewhere else.

Yes, music to MY ears - I have been saying that for about 1 year.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Yes, music to MY ears - I have been saying that for about 1 year.

Talk is cheap... Walking the walk isn't...

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Talk is cheap... Walking the walk isn't...

As an uncle used to say, do as I say not as I do. So easy to just tell others what to do.

[Rainger99]

These are cheaper than golf carts!!!

Cheap Chinese Electric Cars About to Upend the US Vehicle Market

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sloanst

This is what happens when you allow a political administration, that knows nothing about business, to influence your decisions.

That is such an exaggeration that it is humorous.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Wondering

EV's are the future if you want to save the planet for future generations. All startups have initial problems and losses.

Yes, I can agree to that.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by The Chipster

Hilarious. I'm going to save this whole discussion for my great grandchildren to read someday - say 50 years from now when they have cars we cannot even imagine. They will howl with laughter at all the EV naysayers back in 2023 who can't focus on the big picture, which is: We are now WAY early in EV technology. Those of us that have and love EVs are early adopters, well aware of the current issue with outside charging stations, prices, etc. But we also know that major changes are happening NOW in the EV industry, such as solid state batteries that will have 2X or 3X the range in a few years. And the car companies know that they need to invest in the EV game or go extinct, even if the next few years are going to be financially tough for them. Because the current technology of internal combustion engines is on its way out, declining in market share vs. EVs, as we speak.

Well written!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

Most definitely not. However, it will give more power and control to those that seek to consolidate it. And I say this as a Tesla owner.

When you look at the means of production, it is anything but green, and the logistics of people who don't own garages to charge them is untenable. And the grid can't handle it anyway.

In 1900 they said that the IC automobile was BAD because it scared the horses. A lot of the EV naysayers sound the same to me.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye

I know people don’t care if I worked for Ford for 38yrs. But your right EV’s are to expensive for most of us to buy. I’m thinking Ford sees the writing on the wall. EV’s are a short distance auto’s. I drive from Texas to Ohio 3 times a yr. & I yet have seen a charging station & if I would are the chargers all the same do you have to sit in line & wait for 2 other EV’s ahead you for 2,3 or 4 hrs. before it’s your turn, plus are you going to be patient enough to wait an 1 1/2 hrs. to charge yours & the biggest thing can you afford to pay $40,000 more for the same vehicle you have now. Most of these EV’s your paying for HP not realablity. People have to weigh the pros & cons before they invest in a very expensive EV.

Electrical motors move in a circle. IC motors go up and down causing a lot of friction and wasted energy. And the water pump and the oil pump and the radiator. All NOT needed in an electrical motor. Electrical motors have more torque almost instantaneously. Best of all the electrical generating plant that supplies a hundred EVs is stationary so it is easier to control pollution. And there are CLEAN energy electrical sources. We can lower our CO2 production which will prevent people from killing themselves with pollution causing Global Warming.