[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

And there are CLEAN energy electrical sources. We can lower our CO2 production which will prevent people from killing themselves with pollution causing Global Warming.

There are clean energy sources - but not enough.

Electric Cars Are Not Necessarily Clean - Scientific American

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Especially at 3x the cost of my Camry.

A new 2024 Camry would start at $26,420.
A new Tesla Model 3 starts at $40,240 but after the $7500 tax credit is $32,740.

That's only a difference of $6320.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

A new 2024 Camry would start at $26,420.
A new Tesla Model 3 starts at $40,240 but after the $7500 tax credit is $32,740.

That's only a difference of $6320.

Depending on the outcome of the strike, Teslas may soon be cheaper than ICEs.

Right now, Tesla spends about $45 an hour on labor (this cost combines hourly wages and benefits), while Ford, GM, and Stellantis are currently spending about $66 an hour.

If the UAW gets its way on pay increases and things like reviving pensions, the Detroit 3's hourly labor costs could more than double to $136 an hour.

Tesla Employees Make $20 Less Per Hour Than GM, Ford. UAW Proposal Would Double the Gap.

[Bay Kid]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

A new 2024 Camry would start at $26,420.
A new Tesla Model 3 starts at $40,240 but after the $7500 tax credit is $32,740.

That's only a difference of $6320.

Sure nice that taxpayers are paying for other peoples cars.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Sure nice that taxpayers are paying for other peoples cars.

Yes, it's ridiculous, but that's what they do: give other people your money, AKA redistribution. Sometimes it's to incentivize something they want to push, sometimes it's under the guise of attempting to equalize some perceived imbalance. Sometimes it's enriching their donors. Sometimes it's local pork projects. Etc, etc.

Good luck trying to make that stop, it is not anything new.

[threeonemiles@outlook.com]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

This does not seem to be a sound business plan!!

Ford Loses Over $32,000 Per EV During The Second Quarter, Shifts Production Goals | Carscoops

F O R D- Fix Or Repair Daily

[OhioBuckeye]

Oh not worried it’ll be paid, Ford once in a while they’ll surprise you. The thing I didn’t like about Ford the UAW is very hard a one way political party! But you’re exactly right what you said in your comment!

[Nellmack]

Originally Posted by ithos

We don't hate EV's. Just like we don't hate electric golf carts. (Except for the fact you get subsidies and avoid taxes for highway maintenance).For many EVs are a good fit for their transportation needs.

What we HATE is the dictatorial mandates set in place that will eventually eliminate ICE vehicles. This will have a catastrophic impact on the mobility we take for granted today.

This is because the electrical grid CAN NOT begin to handle the increased demand if most vehicles on the road are EVs. Plus renewables as an energy source for base load plants is a joke. Also the charging times will turn driving into a much more stressful experience because of the challenge of not running low on charge. And during winter, EVs performance drops dramatically.

Until they have solid state batteries and mini nukes to ensure a stable grid then forcing everyone to drive an EV will have catastrophic impact on our standard of living and way of life. Well on second thought, maybe that is the true objective.

There are a lot of misunderstanding that I hope I can clear up.
I'm a car guy from way back (mustangs to specific - sill have one) but my EV is the best car I've ever bought, by far. I don't think anyone in the government is dictating that we're all going to have to buy a new EV. I would suggest that car companies see how much better they are and how much easier they are to make and service so it's a no brainer that they go down the EV path. I got rear ended and needed to have my car repaired so I got a loner Mercedes SUV. It was as slow as molasses and the transmission made so much noise (at every acceleration) that it made me nervous to drive. I had to drive (10 minutes) to a gas station and fill up (another 10 minutes) with $75 of gas that lasted like two days. I charge my EV at night so I wake up with a full charge every morning (330 miles of range - thank you).

I'm on my second EV (nine years) and I have never once waited to charge my car. When I drive to Charleston or Florida I can't wait to get out of my car and stretch my legs for 20 minutes because that's how long it takes to charge to full.

I'm not an electrical engineer but I would bet that the "electrical grid" is being up dated on a continuous basis and I'd also bet that some pretty smart people are factoring EV use over the next 100 years. The only complaints about electrical grid problems that I've heard are from dooms day folks saying the world is going to explode because of EV's.

I for one love my EV, it's lightening fast, dirt cheap to drive, I NEVER use my brakes so no break dust on my wheels and I don't have to pay to have my break pads replaced (or my rotors cut), I don't pay for oil changes or transmission repairs or.....anything. A full charge costs about $18 - yee haw! Love it!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

There are clean energy sources - but not enough.

Electric Cars Are Not Necessarily Clean - Scientific American

That's true.......today. But, in the future, more clean sources will be used. For example, nuclear energy generating plants - nuclear energy safety has come a long way. Unfortunately, there is still a popular idea that nuclear plants are unsafe......like the early ones were. That safety technology has improved greatly in recent years.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Depending on the outcome of the strike, Teslas may soon be cheaper than ICEs.

Right now, Tesla spends about $45 an hour on labor (this cost combines hourly wages and benefits), while Ford, GM, and Stellantis are currently spending about $66 an hour.

If the UAW gets its way on pay increases and things like reviving pensions, the Detroit 3's hourly labor costs could more than double to $136 an hour.

Tesla Employees Make $20 Less Per Hour Than GM, Ford. UAW Proposal Would Double the Gap.

There is another reason WHY ANY E-vehicle will EVENTUALLY be cheaper than ANY IC engine vehicle..............the Electrical engine uses fewer parts than the IC engine.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Sure nice that taxpayers are paying for other peoples cars.

The Government is using taxpayer money in the proper manner - to do the best thing for society and the US future. If we let the Chinese dominate EV technology, then they will become richer and the US will become poorer. I for one do NOT want THAT to HAPPEN.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

Yes, it's ridiculous, but that's what they do: give other people your money, AKA redistribution. Sometimes it's to incentivize something they want to push, sometimes it's under the guise of attempting to equalize some perceived imbalance. Sometimes it's enriching their donors. Sometimes it's local pork projects. Etc, etc.

Good luck trying to make that stop, it is not anything new.

REDISTRIBUTION...........Ideally, taking some money away from the rich (through IRS tax tables) (money they barely are aware that they have).......can do some good for society. Such as building hospitals in poor areas, and building better PUBLIC schools in middle-class and lower areas. Paying for MORE Police salaries to stop crime(crime is rampant today). Keeping libraries open (they are closing). The list goes on and on because it is basically improving America and making society more stable.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Nellmack

There are a lot of misunderstanding that I hope I can clear up.
I'm a car guy from way back (mustangs to specific - sill have one) but my EV is the best car I've ever bought, by far. I don't think anyone in the government is dictating that we're all going to have to buy a new EV. I would suggest that car companies see how much better they are and how much easier they are to make and service so it's a no brainer that they go down the EV path. I got rear ended and needed to have my car repaired so I got a loner Mercedes SUV. It was as slow as molasses and the transmission made so much noise (at every acceleration) that it made me nervous to drive. I had to drive (10 minutes) to a gas station and fill up (another 10 minutes) with $75 of gas that lasted like two days. I charge my EV at night so I wake up with a full charge every morning (330 miles of range - thank you).

I'm on my second EV (nine years) and I have never once waited to charge my car. When I drive to Charleston or Florida I can't wait to get out of my car and stretch my legs for 20 minutes because that's how long it takes to charge to full.

I'm not an electrical engineer but I would bet that the "electrical grid" is being up dated on a continuous basis and I'd also bet that some pretty smart people are factoring EV use over the next 100 years. The only complaints about electrical grid problems that I've heard are from dooms day folks saying the world is going to explode because of EV's.

I for one love my EV, it's lightening fast, dirt cheap to drive, I NEVER use my brakes so no break dust on my wheels and I don't have to pay to have my break pads replaced (or my rotors cut), I don't pay for oil changes or transmission repairs or.....anything. A full charge costs about $18 - yee haw! Love it!

A great post about the OVERWHELMING positives and advantages of owning an E-vehicle.

[Keefelane66]

Originally Posted by Nellmack

There are a lot of misunderstanding that I hope I can clear up.
I'm a car guy from way back (mustangs to specific - sill have one) but my EV is the best car I've ever bought, by far. I don't think anyone in the government is dictating that we're all going to have to buy a new EV. I would suggest that car companies see how much better they are and how much easier they are to make and service so it's a no brainer that they go down the EV path. I got rear ended and needed to have my car repaired so I got a loner Mercedes SUV. It was as slow as molasses and the transmission made so much noise (at every acceleration) that it made me nervous to drive. I had to drive (10 minutes) to a gas station and fill up (another 10 minutes) with $75 of gas that lasted like two days. I charge my EV at night so I wake up with a full charge every morning (330 miles of range - thank you).

I'm on my second EV (nine years) and I have never once waited to charge my car. When I drive to Charleston or Florida I can't wait to get out of my car and stretch my legs for 20 minutes because that's how long it takes to charge to full.

I'm not an electrical engineer but I would bet that the "electrical grid" is being up dated on a continuous basis and I'd also bet that some pretty smart people are factoring EV use over the next 100 years. The only complaints about electrical grid problems that I've heard are from dooms day folks saying the world is going to explode because of EV's.

I for one love my EV, it's lightening fast, dirt cheap to drive, I NEVER use my brakes so no break dust on my wheels and I don't have to pay to have my break pads replaced (or my rotors cut), I don't pay for oil changes or transmission repairs or.....anything. A full charge costs about $18 - yee haw! Love it!

Thanks for an actual user information instead of uninformed speculation just to let you know well have a Costco in The Villages sometime in 2025.

[phylt]

Originally Posted by Nellmack

There are a lot of misunderstanding that I hope I can clear up.
I'm a car guy from way back (mustangs to specific - sill have one) but my EV is the best car I've ever bought, by far. I don't think anyone in the government is dictating that we're all going to have to buy a new EV. I would suggest that car companies see how much better they are and how much easier they are to make and service so it's a no brainer that they go down the EV path. I got rear ended and needed to have my car repaired so I got a loner Mercedes SUV. It was as slow as molasses and the transmission made so much noise (at every acceleration) that it made me nervous to drive. I had to drive (10 minutes) to a gas station and fill up (another 10 minutes) with $75 of gas that lasted like two days. I charge my EV at night so I wake up with a full charge every morning (330 miles of range - thank you).

I'm on my second EV (nine years) and I have never once waited to charge my car. When I drive to Charleston or Florida I can't wait to get out of my car and stretch my legs for 20 minutes because that's how long it takes to charge to full.

I'm not an electrical engineer but I would bet that the "electrical grid" is being up dated on a continuous basis and I'd also bet that some pretty smart people are factoring EV use over the next 100 years. The only complaints about electrical grid problems that I've heard are from dooms day folks saying the world is going to explode because of EV's.

I for one love my EV, it's lightening fast, dirt cheap to drive, I NEVER use my brakes so no break dust on my wheels and I don't have to pay to have my break pads replaced (or my rotors cut), I don't pay for oil changes or transmission repairs or.....anything. A full charge costs about $18 - yee haw! Love it!

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100%++ I'm a car guy too. We drove a Tesla Model Y and 3 in the past 4 months. My sons had rental cars when they visited and we both test drove. Then went to Orlando Tesla store for more. OMG! We were sold. Totally. We will order the Brand New 2024 Model 3 when the order bank opens, hopefully the next couple months. And sell our ICE SUV after. It's perfectly fine, but we love the Tesla. And ------------BONUS! No lyin' creepy deceiving Car Dealers to work with. Ordering a Tesla is 5 minutes on their site.

Your examples are spot-on. We can't wait.