EV haters?

More like a healthy skepticism of anything smacking of social engineering.

It is quite simple.

Make your total cost at any point you want, but the maker has a plan for a quantity that will recover the development cost, incremental item cost and profit.

That may not work on government projects since profit is not their goal.

Because the powers that be don't like him because he refuses to acquiesce and bend the knee every time they come calling with another demand.

Tesla lost a lot of money early on also. They will catch up. Still feel that car makers should have worked more fervently on hybrid cars. These cars get at least 25-30% higher mileage and do not have the range problems.

This would have been a compromise. Something politicians do not even know how to spell.

Because Tesla is nonunion.

Yes, that, too.

Which EV's are you talking about? They can't give the Chevy Bolts away. The Ford Lightning is on hold due to a design defect.

Yea and nuclear fission is just 10 years away.

Thankfully he enabled us to have the means to get to the ISS years ago. Brilliant visionary who is not afraid to spend his own money

Still have a feeling that EV's are not going to be the save all that some people think they will be.

Most definitely not. However, it will give more power and control to those that seek to consolidate it. And I say this as a Tesla owner.

When you look at the means of production, it is anything but green, and the logistics of people who don't own garages to charge them is untenable. And the grid can't handle it anyway.

I just bought a new car last week. My 12.5 yo Hyundai Genesis' engine gave up the ghost. Blown head gasket.

I seriously looked at hybrids, but there's no way I'm driving a Prius and nothing else fit my needs/budget.

I wound up buying an Acura TXL with only 14K miles on it, that was coming out of the dealer's loaner inventory. Still under warranty. Perfect condition, not a mark on it, serviced by the dealer, and I saved almost $15K off of a new one. It serves my needs perfectly... For now...

There you go confusing some people with the facts again.:clap2:

It does “ increased costs related to new product development and production-capacity expansion” and that makes perfect sense. They are expecting profitability a few years down the road.

I know people don’t care if I worked for Ford for 38yrs. But your right EV’s are to expensive for most of us to buy. I’m thinking Ford sees the writing on the wall. EV’s are a short distance auto’s. I drive from Texas to Ohio 3 times a yr. & I yet have seen a charging station & if I would are the chargers all the same do you have to sit in line & wait for 2 other EV’s ahead you for 2,3 or 4 hrs. before it’s your turn, plus are you going to be patient enough to wait an 1 1/2 hrs. to charge yours & the biggest thing can you afford to pay $40,000 more for the same vehicle you have now. Most of these EV’s your paying for HP not realablity. People have to weigh the pros & cons before they invest in a very expensive EV.

not to worry I'm sure we are all covering those losses thru our tax dollars.

Subsidy/Business Plan
 

When you hear the word subsidy who do you think is paying for that financial aid? The US taxpayers. Our current administration is asking us to pay for something that is their dream and not that of the majority of people.
The real issue is that we have politicians and not business people. In business you develop a business plan that analyzes every aspect of the implementation issues and and works backwards from the end goal to have a successful implementation.
1) Electrical Infrastructure
2) Charging Stations across the country.
3) Sufficient battery range to drive trips.
4) No mandates of use by letting the market decide.
5) Material resources to build batteries w/o enhancing China.
Dreams without plans are just dreams!

And what makes you so sure it will be EVs that everyone is driving in 50 years? The thing that makes EVs obsolete, even though they aren't even a viable thing today may be just around the corner. They may be laughing at you for thinking that will be the future when x, not even thought of commonly now, becomes the "real solution"

Could not agree with you more.

To be fair, the charging stations along any interstate highway are plentiful, but require exiting and driving a mile or so to arrive at.

I can't answer that bc I only and always charge my Tesla in my garage. We take the ICE car if we have to drive more than 50 miles.

Can't speak for others, but I would not, and if that's the case, it's a huge problem.

You are a classic example of the "short distance driver" that is being discussed...

Nothing wrong with that. EVs can be a great alternative for someone with your needs.

But... It's also telling that when you need to take any sort of a trip, the EV stays home...

Until an EV can go longer distances and charge as quickly as I can fuel up my car see no advantage to getting one. Especially at 3x the cost of my Camry.

I think the best idea is a hybrid.

The 2 go hand-in-hand - units made and cost per unit. It is that way with any "RUN" of ANYTHING made on a factory line. EVs have better acceleration and braking due to the battery weight being placed lower than the center of gravity of an IC engine vehicle. EVs have fewer parts than IC engine vehicles and, therefore will be more reliable and easier to maintain. Also, no oil to change and NO TRIPS to the gas station for local travel.
........With so many advantages, even Americans will SOON make a big push for EVs. When that happens the price of EVs drop below corresponding IC engine vehicles BECAUSE many, many unit will be purchased. Also in 2024 many more charging stations will be built.
......And, I believe that in 2024 Renault will have a compact EV automobile selling for $29,000 dollars. That sounds like a "game changer" to me. And China is making a lot of RAPID progress in EVs. The US NEEDS EV technology to keep up with China. There is BIG sales potential in Australia, New Zealand, Africa, India, Russia, Europe, and everywhere.

Agree about the rising problem of Chinese EVs. We and Europe can put tariffs on their cars. But, there is still Australia, New Zealand, India, AFRICA, and South America where we don't have much influence. So that is why the US needs to QUICKLY DOMINATE EV technology. Right now European new car hybrid electric sales are 25%. EU new car all-electric EVs are 15%. In the US only 6% of new car sales are all-electric.
......It makes sense that the EU has greater EV sales than the US because the cost of gasoline is MUCH higher in the EU. The US needs to FIGHT THAT and NOT become complacent and lose our factory and technology edge in EVs. The US government should do everything in its power to bring new EV sales up to about 30%. That would help our environment (like the Florida fishing industry - due to CO2 destroying coral reefs) and the world's environment. It would go a long way toward REVERSING the HEAT experienced here in the US and in the world.
.........So far this summer, worldwide it is the HOTTEST on record.

Yes, music to MY ears - I have been saying that for about 1 year.

Talk is cheap... Walking the walk isn't...

As an uncle used to say, do as I say not as I do. So easy to just tell others what to do.

Article on cheap Chinese EVs
 

These are cheaper than golf carts!!!

Cheap Chinese Electric Cars About to Upend the US Vehicle Market

That is such an exaggeration that it is humorous.

Yes, I can agree to that.

Well written!

In 1900 they said that the IC automobile was BAD because it scared the horses. A lot of the EV naysayers sound the same to me.

Electrical motors move in a circle. IC motors go up and down causing a lot of friction and wasted energy. And the water pump and the oil pump and the radiator. All NOT needed in an electrical motor. Electrical motors have more torque almost instantaneously. Best of all the electrical generating plant that supplies a hundred EVs is stationary so it is easier to control pollution. And there are CLEAN energy electrical sources. We can lower our CO2 production which will prevent people from killing themselves with pollution causing Global Warming.

There are clean energy sources - but not enough.

Electric Cars Are Not Necessarily Clean - Scientific American

A new 2024 Camry would start at $26,420.
A new Tesla Model 3 starts at $40,240 but after the $7500 tax credit is $32,740.

That's only a difference of $6320.

Depending on the outcome of the strike, Teslas may soon be cheaper than ICEs.

Right now, Tesla spends about $45 an hour on labor (this cost combines hourly wages and benefits), while Ford, GM, and Stellantis are currently spending about $66 an hour.

If the UAW gets its way on pay increases and things like reviving pensions, the Detroit 3's hourly labor costs could more than double to $136 an hour.

Tesla Employees Make $20 Less Per Hour Than GM, Ford. UAW Proposal Would Double the Gap.

Sure nice that taxpayers are paying for other peoples cars.

Yes, it's ridiculous, but that's what they do: give other people your money, AKA redistribution. Sometimes it's to incentivize something they want to push, sometimes it's under the guise of attempting to equalize some perceived imbalance. Sometimes it's enriching their donors. Sometimes it's local pork projects. Etc, etc.

Good luck trying to make that stop, it is not anything new.