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Oh not worried it’ll be paid, Ford once in a while they’ll surprise you. The thing I didn’t like about Ford the UAW is very hard a one way political party! But you’re exactly right what you said in your comment!

I hope I can help everyone understand.
 

There are a lot of misunderstanding that I hope I can clear up.
I'm a car guy from way back (mustangs to specific - sill have one) but my EV is the best car I've ever bought, by far. I don't think anyone in the government is dictating that we're all going to have to buy a new EV. I would suggest that car companies see how much better they are and how much easier they are to make and service so it's a no brainer that they go down the EV path. I got rear ended and needed to have my car repaired so I got a loner Mercedes SUV. It was as slow as molasses and the transmission made so much noise (at every acceleration) that it made me nervous to drive. I had to drive (10 minutes) to a gas station and fill up (another 10 minutes) with $75 of gas that lasted like two days. I charge my EV at night so I wake up with a full charge every morning (330 miles of range - thank you).

I'm on my second EV (nine years) and I have never once waited to charge my car. When I drive to Charleston or Florida I can't wait to get out of my car and stretch my legs for 20 minutes because that's how long it takes to charge to full.

I'm not an electrical engineer but I would bet that the "electrical grid" is being up dated on a continuous basis and I'd also bet that some pretty smart people are factoring EV use over the next 100 years. The only complaints about electrical grid problems that I've heard are from dooms day folks saying the world is going to explode because of EV's. :)

I for one love my EV, it's lightening fast, dirt cheap to drive, I NEVER use my brakes so no break dust on my wheels and I don't have to pay to have my break pads replaced (or my rotors cut), I don't pay for oil changes or transmission repairs or.....anything. A full charge costs about $18 - yee haw! Love it!

That's true.......today. But, in the future, more clean sources will be used. For example, nuclear energy generating plants - nuclear energy safety has come a long way. Unfortunately, there is still a popular idea that nuclear plants are unsafe......like the early ones were. That safety technology has improved greatly in recent years.

There is another reason WHY ANY E-vehicle will EVENTUALLY be cheaper than ANY IC engine vehicle..............the Electrical engine uses fewer parts than the IC engine.

The Government is using taxpayer money in the proper manner - to do the best thing for society and the US future. If we let the Chinese dominate EV technology, then they will become richer and the US will become poorer. I for one do NOT want THAT to HAPPEN.

REDISTRIBUTION...........Ideally, taking some money away from the rich (through IRS tax tables) (money they barely are aware that they have).......can do some good for society. Such as building hospitals in poor areas, and building better PUBLIC schools in middle-class and lower areas. Paying for MORE Police salaries to stop crime(crime is rampant today). Keeping libraries open (they are closing). The list goes on and on because it is basically improving America and making society more stable.

A great post about the OVERWHELMING positives and advantages of owning an E-vehicle.

Thanks for an actual user information instead of uninformed speculation just to let you know well have a Costco in The Villages sometime in 2025.

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100%++ I'm a car guy too. We drove a Tesla Model Y and 3 in the past 4 months. My sons had rental cars when they visited and we both test drove. Then went to Orlando Tesla store for more. OMG! We were sold. Totally. We will order the Brand New 2024 Model 3 when the order bank opens, hopefully the next couple months. And sell our ICE SUV after. It's perfectly fine, but we love the Tesla. And ------------BONUS! No lyin' creepy deceiving Car Dealers to work with. Ordering a Tesla is 5 minutes on their site.

Your examples are spot-on. We can't wait.

How does all this allow Ford to compete against lower cost EV makers. They will be the highest cost manufacturer.

Ya, good analysis other than the paragraph about the grid. I have seen no evidence of upgrading; in fact if anything, it is the opposite. CA is particularly bad, but brown outs in the summer are common in a bunch of places. EVs will just add to that problem. And again, I own a Tesla.

Not why everyone is jumping on the EV, it’s a myth that it’s great for the environment.

For those of you that have bought an EV, would you have bought it if there were no tax credit??

The credit figured in to the "total net cost" when deciding. So, no, I probably would not have spent another $7500 on my Tesla. But magically, when they ran out of credits, the price dropped by almost exactly the amount of the credit.

Reminds me of the government subsidizing college loans and then the price of college going up.

One way for Ford and the US Big 3 to be more competitive is to REDUCE the CEOs' salaries. They are all making around 20 MILLION dollars per year. Japanese CEOs make one or two MILLION per year.

College Administration and CEOs of the Big 3 have one thing in common - they both make too much money.

Nonsense. That money, spread out over the union workers would barely be seen in their paychecks...

To figure this out would need to have access to their cost accounting system

According to this article, the loss per vehicle is $60,000 not $32,000 which is even more shocking.

ford-to-lose-an-astonishing-amount-of-money-on-electric-cars

For those with EVs, what is the longest period of time that you have had to wait for a charging station - and, after starting to charge, what is the longest time that it has taken to charge?

And what has been the average time?

Rivian, which like Tesla, exclusively manufactures EVs, also lost $33,000 per vehicle.

From the Wall Street Journal

All cars should be EVs. It is a small price to pay to prevent hurricanes, loss of coastland due to rising sea levels, floods, droughts, threats to biodiversity, and bad hair days.

Not sure where you are getting that. I recently read a report that GM has sold a total of 36,000 Ev's this year, Ford was something like 6,000 and Chryster something like 2,000.. This is out of the 14,000,000 that have been sold over the past 12 months. Outside of Tesla the big 3 aren't really selling any.

None of this matters, we are going to EV's. Look up BYD motors in China. They have become the #2 EV car maker in the world, and will shortly overtake Tesla in EVs. We are screwed.

You beat me to it.

Only about the bad hair days. The rest is without merit.

Shocking.

:duck:

Originally Posted by Caymus View Post
How does all this allow Ford to compete against lower cost EV makers. They will be the highest cost manufacturer.

Put that one to bed. Ford CEO makes $21,000,000/Yr. Ford makes around 6,500,000 vehicles. So that wage amounts to about $3.25 per vehicle.

CEO wage has relatively small impact on auto cost. Unit cost is a function of Labor, Materials and overhead. CEO salary is a very small part of overhead.

Ford is recalling over 700,000 vehicles conventional gas engines
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China evs
 

People need to check on what is going on in china as to electric cars. Lot of them are being stored because of becoming firebombs. Same with the scooters with the lithium batteries. Of course Americans will buy them if they can save a few dollars, until they explode.

About 40% cheaper

Urban legend. Autoweek posted a study that showed hybrids had the most fires, followed by gasoline cars, with electric vehicles having the least number of fires. Lithium battery fires do burn stronger though, and last longer.

A basic understanding of economics and finance and some posters would not make the silly comments they make.

Google BYD motors.... we are toast.

Sounds like you're referencing the link below, but the reason for them being stored is that some Chinese companies initially set out to be building cheap junk EV's pre-COVID in a race to the bottom for cheapness along with government subsidies. That all backfired and now there's thousands of junk cars that no one wants.

Now you have legitimate companies like BYD in China that have just surpassed Ford as the 4th biggest carmaker in the world, and BYD only makes EV's, and likely to produce over 2 million cars per year by next year. Now every other country is going to be stuck playing catchup.

China EV graveyard

I'd rather see Eberhard and Tarpenning at EV meetings. They're the ones who created Tesla. Musk just poured money into it.

EV's are kidnapping people!

'''I was kidnapped by my runaway electric car''' - BBC News

Where would the company be without Musk who also built the co.