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Two Bills 10-05-2023 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2262713)
Where would the company be without Musk who also built the co.
Bought out by GM?

Stu from NYC 10-05-2023 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2262716)
Bought out by GM?
Have wondered why Tesla was not bought out in their early stages by a much larger auto mfger.

bopat 10-05-2023 09:01 AM
Ford and the legacy carmakers (and electric golf cart makers, for that matter) are building cars and carts that just happen to be powered by electric motors and batteries.

Tesla builds an experience, electric powered, of which part of that experience is the car itself.

That's the difference. Consider yourself enlightened now ;)

JMintzer 10-05-2023 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2262674)
I'd rather see Eberhard and Tarpenning at EV meetings. They're the ones who created Tesla. Musk just poured money into it.
And Steve Jobs never made an iPhone... What's your point?

JMintzer 10-05-2023 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 2262662)
Urban legend. Autoweek posted a study that showed hybrids had the most fires, followed by gasoline cars, with electric vehicles having the least number of fires. Lithium battery fires do burn stronger though, and last longer.
What are the # of fires PER VEHICLE? If there are only 10 EV fires, but they only make 100 EVs, thats 10%, right?

The # of fires is irrelevant without that information...

Bill14564 10-05-2023 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2262806)
What are the # of fires PER VEHICLE? If there are only 10 EV fires, but they only make 100 EVs, thats 10%, right?

The # of fires is irrelevant without that information...
Google is your friend

Three articles reference the same study. Numbers given in fires/100K sales of vehicle types.

Possibly deceptive statistics. If the vehicles that burned were older the statistics would be skewed since EVs are relatively new. Would be interesting to see fires/100K in model year.

JMintzer 10-05-2023 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2262812)
Google is your friend

Three articles reference the same study. Numbers given in fires/100K sales of vehicle types.

Possibly deceptive statistics. If the vehicles that burned were older the statistics would be skewed since EVs are relatively new. Would be interesting to see fires/100K in model year.
Since I didn't make the claim, I shouldn't have to provide/find the information...

Bill14564 10-05-2023 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2262848)
Since I didn't make the claim, I shouldn't have to provide/find the information...
Weak justification for suggesting the claim was irrelevant.

JMintzer 10-05-2023 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2262853)
Weak justification for suggesting the claim was irrelevant.
Nothing weak about it...

I never said the claim was irrelevant. The numbers are what the numbers are. I did say that additional information was needed to determine the relevance of the numbers...

Yes there are more ICE fires than EV fires. But that, by itself, means nothing...

How many more ICE fires? How many less EV fires? What is the "per capita" of fires per each type of vehicle? Asking those questions is a "weak justification"?

You can do better than that.

Topspinmo 10-05-2023 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2258833)
One way for Ford and the US Big 3 to be more competitive is to REDUCE the CEOs' salaries. They are all making around 20 MILLION dollars per year. Japanese CEOs make one or two MILLION per year.

Another way would be fire all UAWs and start over with non-union work force alike all foreign companies and Tesla.

Topspinmo 10-05-2023 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2262674)
I'd rather see Eberhard and Tarpenning at EV meetings. They're the ones who created Tesla. Musk just poured money into it.
Musk don’t build rockets either. Probably not 1 CEO that’s ever built anything. They pay someone to do that.

Bill14564 10-05-2023 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2262859)
Nothing weak about it...

I never said the claim was irrelevant. The numbers are what the numbers are. I did say that additional information was needed to determine the relevance of the numbers...

Yes there are more ICE fires than EV fires. But that, by itself, means nothing...

How many more ICE fires? How many less EV fires? What is the "per capita" of fires per each type of vehicle? Asking those questions is a "weak justification"?

You can do better than that.
You seem to have a lot of questions. Again, google is your friend. (Though blissful is not a bad state of being)

JMintzer 10-05-2023 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2262890)
You seem to have a lot of questions. Again, google is your friend. (Though blissful is not a bad state of being)
Anyone with with a cogent counterpoint will provide info to back up their assertion...

I would think you would know that. But I guess you're just "blissful" on the concept...


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