Still no excuse if true, but interesting.

Steve

Just found another article. George Floyd, Arresting Officer Worked Together: Club Owner

If it was a personal grudge that may up the murder charge to a higher category, just saying...

That cop had a terrible record. The club owner also said she thought he used excessive force at times when he worked security at her club.

No argument here. Personal grudge and not racism, could be an interesting case.
Steve

Could be both!

Black Firefighter Spent His Life Savings To Open A Bar. Then Minneapolis Looters Burned It Down

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Agreed
Steve

IF, and I mean IF both were true (grudge and death from intoxicants), which is usually a big IF, then which of the a$$h0!3 rioters and looters would be the first to apologize????

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Robbery is no excuse. Destroying property??? Ignorant actions. We look like a 3rd world country.

Dont hold your breath waiting on an apology. Terrible what the cop did but to destroy in the name of it is just wrong and the looters should be in jail and be fined in accordance with the damage they did.

So the knee did not kill him??


When it states "restrained"..............is that handcuff restraint??

See here for actual information fact-checked:
Did George Floyd and Then-Officer Derek Chauvin Work Together in Minneapolis?

As for the Daily Wire - they are not a reliable source of information. The "potential intoxicants" phrase was taken out of context, and included intentionally to muddy the facts of the murder with supposition and doubt. There is no evidence at this point that George Floyd was intoxicated at the time of his murder.

On Friday and Saturday nights I watch Live PD. I watch it because it soothes something in myself to see an attempt to curb wrong doing and to stop bad things and to handle the sea of people who break the law and for whom the police are called. There are always about eight to ten police groups from all over the country and they change from time to time. It is edited so as you do not see horrible things and there is a pause in presentation, but it is an accurate view of what police officers are doing out "there" day in day out. One of the police groups it follows is in Lawrence, Indiana, a suburb of Indianapolis where we once lived. One of the police officers that is followed is a man called Charles Kingery. Here is a very honest sharing of his opinion on the George Floyd incident.

Tina Cafarelli - Charlie Kingery express his feelings of...

Snopes is not a reliable fact checker. It is well known to be a left wing biased site. The club owner herself was quoted in one article.

https://www.naco.org/sites/default/f...?itok=aoxemM_L

Before you begin to defame a medical doctor's reputation, there is always Google.

ANDREW BAKER, BS, MD

Chief Medical Examiner Hennepin County (Minn.)
Dr. Baker has been a featured presenter at a National Institute of Justice sponsored event.

Andrew Baker, MD is a graduate of the University of Iowa. He completed his pathology residency at the University of Iowa, and a forensic pathology fellowship in Minneapolis. He is board-certified in anatomic, clinical, and forensic pathology. He is a fellow of the College of American Pathologists, the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, and the National Association of Medical Examiners.

Dr. Baker has served as a guest lecturer at the US Army Judge Advocate General's School, the Naval Justice School, The University of Minnesota Law School, Hamline Law School, Harvard Law School, the Ontario Forensic Pathology Service, and the Royal College of Pathologists of Australasia.

Prior to practicing as a forensic pathologist with the Hennepin County Medical Examiner in Minneapolis, Dr. Baker served four years as a medical examiner in the US Air Force. He was appointed to the position of Chief Medical Examiner for Hennepin County in 2004, and was reappointed in 2008, 2012, and 2016.

Dr. Michael Baden to perform independent autopsy on George Floyd

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05...0809707304.jpg

I'll say it again. :ohdear:

Where is your contention coming from re: "taken out of context, and included intentionally to muddy the facts of the murder with supposition and doubt"?

Here's the exact quote, taken directly from the State of Minnesota complaint against the officer:

"The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd’s autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death."

If you read the complaint, you'll see there are the body cam accounts of what happened. All of the "Floyd didn't resist..." comments we can all read in this forum are countered directly by the body cam footage - according to the complaint.

Apparently the officers involved tried several times to get Floyd into their squad car. Floyd resisted. He actively resisted being handcuffed, according to the complaint. He apparently started saying he couldn't breathe while still standing.

Continuing from the official complaint:

"The officers made several attempts to get Mr. Floyd in the backseat of squad 320 from the driver’s side. Mr. Floyd did not voluntarily get in the car and struggled with the officers by intentionally falling down, saying he was not going in the car, and refusing to stand still. Mr. Floyd is over six feet tall and weighs more than 200 pounds."

The defendant (officer) put him down on the ground and held him in place with the knee, as we all know.

If this complaint is reflecting actual audio as well as video, it's quite clear there is much more to this event than has been portrayed.

That said, does that exonerate the officer who restrained Floyd for many minutes - even after, apparently, no pulse could be determined? Absolutely not. And you won't find me making that case. But this is seemingly another event where first impressions aren't telling the whole story.

Here is the official Minnesota complaint with amplifying information about this incident: https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...-Complaint.pdf

They might find that George Floyd actually died from Covid, but that does not change the fact that kneeing on him was not released when he couldn’t breathe.

Some people are concluding, wrongly, that the ME's determination was final and comprehensive, because some people are reading snippets with missing words - such as the ones in your quote that I bolded, italicized, and underlined.

People are basing their opinions on the falsehood that this PRELIMINARY, INCOMPLETE examination proved that...

1. George Floyd was able to resist AT THE TIME THE VIRAL VIDEO WAS RECORDED...
2. George Floyd was absolutely intoxicated...
3. George Floyd was a threat to the four officers,
4. Chauvin was the only one subduing George Floyd
5. Chauvin did what he was trained to do...
6. Chauvin didn't kill George Floyd
7. Chauvin didn't know Floyd was either dead OR unconscious and therefore incapable of knowing that he was trying to subdue a dead (or unconscious) man.

There are people basing their vilification of George Floyd and vindication of Chauvin on this preliminary, incomplete medical examination.

And there are people hopping on that bandwagon on purpose, spurring it on, encouraging people to vilify Floyd and vindicate Chauvin, because it helps them create the wars, riots, looting, hatred, division, and split from humanity that they are intentionally trying to create.

If I were being strangled to the point I could not breath I doubt I could speak out and say "I can't breath." as that would be physically impossible for me to do.

From what I have read Floyd was saying he could not breath while he was still standing, before he was ever put down on the ground for not complying with the police instructing him to get into the back seat of their vehicle. Now all that being said, from the videos it does appear excessive force was used by placing the knee on his neck. Whether sufficient pressure was applied by the knee to strangle him will come out in the autopsies. All of the actual facts will come out in a trial, hopefully. Until then I am keeping an open mind.

And the feeble attempts to try and mitigate, what we all saw with our own eyes...continues. :oops:


Given that, just imagine if there was no video (which happens in so many other similar cases)...of this murder. :ohdear:

Interesting to see what final autopsy report says and the results of the investigation.

My guess is, it’ll say whatever is most expedient. Sorry, I’m a bit of a skeptic.

Decided to start a whole new thread, about the wife of the Minnesota officer charged with murder...filing for divorce.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...ivorce-307028/


:popcorn:

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A sports bar, he was achieving his dream by doing something he loved only to have it snatched away by self-serving people who hide behind the guise of a protest. Hopefully he has insurance, but probably didn't own the building. Which, might be a good thing since he'll probably need to relocate somewhere else, that is if he wants to pursue the idea again.

As former business owner myself, operating a restaurant/bar where alcohol is served and tempers can flare, is no easy task. From what I heard, it wasn't that bad an area of town. Too bad they don't destroy the bad areas of the city.

If that's not bad enough, one Federal cop killed and another wounded outside a courthouse in Oakland, CA.

Federal police officer shot dead, another wounded amid Oakland protests



https://media.nbcsandiego.com/2019/0...it=2204%2C1506

Who, exactly, are you talking about? People here in this forum? I don't know who's vindicating any of the officers. But it's clear, now, that Floyd did resist arrest - contrary to many of the comments I've seen up until now. And no, before anyone asks, he absolutely didn't deserve to die for that. But it is part of the story, just like all of the other evidence.

As for the Medical Examiner, I'm not sure why he would release any preliminary findings unless he was absolutely sure of that much that he was reporting. To be wrong about those findings would be terrible. If you're not 100% sure about what you're releasing to the public, keep your mouth shut. Since the ME hasn't kept quiet on that front, I'm going to assume (yeah, I know...) he's done his work on that score. Time will tell.

But getting back to your comments, who - specifically - are these people you're speaking of?

Hating people because of race is wrong. Hating people because they are law enforcement is wrong. Both are wrong and I won't buy into either of those prejudices.
One person is delighted that the man is having his wife leave him. We are told not to bring up past deeds of one but it is o.k. to do that with the other? We are told not to judge one but it is o.k. to judge the other? No one reading this thread would wish death to anyone. Anyone. Ever. On purpose. Harm to people we don't know and never met.

Or are there some who would?? That is ugly.

You're obviously referencing me and that's an outright lie that I'm "delighted" she is divorcing him...of which lying is also ugly.

Then again, lying has become quite acceptable with a lot of people in the last few years...and that's the truth. :ohdear:

I simply mention it because there's a possibility we may find out more...as to the murdering cop's intentions.

Then again...we might not. :ho:

I'm talking about the nature of this thread, in general, and the underlying root of the attitudes toward the subject.

The underlying root is the prevalence of conspiracy theory, misdirection, bait and switch, out-and-out lies, innuendos, conveniently missing bits of information, and intentional deflection of the crux of the matter, ALL OVER THE INTERNET that leads otherwise intelligent people to look elsewhere while an injustice is done.

The facts: All kinds of things might have happened before the video tape started at second #1. Floyd might have resisted mightily. That's fine and well, and everyone who thinks this happened is 100% correct. Hypothetically - Floyd was a regular POS who was aggressive and violent and horrible.

NOW LET THAT GO because it has NOTHING to do with the video.

The video shows that this man had ALREADY been subdued. He was unarmed. Not merely "disarmed" - but UNarmed, meaning he had no weapon from the start, according to the police reports. He was already handcuffed. He was already on the ground, face down. He had one cop sitting on his legs. Another on his back. A third on his neck. He was INCAPABLE of resisting anything, at the point this video was taken.

He was helpless.

According to reports he had been complaining all along that he couldn't breath. It was clear in the video that he was, in fact, having trouble breathing.

These ex-police officers refused to let up. Chauvin even kept his knee on the guy's neck AFTER someone checked Floyd's pulse and proclaimed there was no pulse.

He didn't just keep it on his neck - he kept it there for a good couple of minutes.

THESE are the facts that are pertinent to the thread. Not that Floyd resisted arrests some time BEFORE that 10-minute video was shot.

What is pertinent to the thread is everything that occurred DURING the time frame of that video.

Everything else is a distraction away from this, and an attempt to minimize the horrendous, atrocious, monstrous crime that Chauvin committed against George Floyd.

Amen.

I'm curious where any one individual here can make claim on what's pertinent to the thread and what's a distraction. I'll push back on those kinds of assertions every single time. Threads are conversations that frequently become more broad-based as the discussion moves along.

I went back and reread all of the comments here. I read quite a few diversions from "what's pertinent", like Colin Kaepernick's kneeling, and Chauvin's wife filing for divorce. Yeah, pertinent stuff. I've read comments from people here who label anyone a racist who simply asks to wait and see what an actual investigation and trial turns up. I read where one individual called another an outright liar, and that same individual claimed that we're all (well, except for him, apparently) essentially complicit in Chauvin's act. The frequent retort from this individual is that any comment not toeing his line is merely "obfuscation". Moreover, I'm left with the impression that there are "some" who are hoping that the Medical Examiner's preliminary findings are wrong. Why? How about the truth, whatever that turns out to be?

I'm not here to vindicate any of these officers. From everything I know and have read and seen, at the very least Chauvin has to be tried on manslaughter charges for extremely reckless behavior. If it can be determined that this was a deliberate hate crime, then obviously the charges increase - as they should. My guess is the other officers there will not escape criminal charges.

But this notion that the video is the be all and end all of history surrounding this incident is clearly mistaken. And how do I know that? Because the criminal complaint against Chauvin says as much. It details what took place before the viral video. Nothing happened in a vacuum. And no, that does not in any way vindicate nor exonerate Chauvin. But it tells the story of how this all happened.

Some people couldn't care less, I guess. "It's the video, stupid!" I'd like to know what actually led up to this tragedy. And why could that be important? First, to establish the facts. Second, to train future officers on what to do and what NOT to do in any similar set of circumstances. Third, to the extent possible, to try to ascertain why an officer or officers could be in a law enforcement position if they are clearly not suited for it by their actions, their biases and their own work history.

And you know who else wants to know what happened? A court of law. Chauvin's case isn't only going to entail the video moments. It's going to outline the timeline of what occurred prior to that. The complaint against Chauvin says as much. I read one comment here that suggested that we need a speedy trial because otherwise things might get swept under the rug. I actually want the legal system to work.

Your an extremely smart person, how refreshing to read a post from a person with a limited amount of them. Dont let none of the forum regulars knock you down. Im impressed and refreshed.

Well said