Too many rats in the cage, too many fish in the pond. It'll work itself out someday when we either destroy everyone or at least draw down the numbers.
We're just animals like everything else but unlike the other animals, our only enemy is ourselves and we're breeding uncontrolled like rabbits in a cabbage patch.
This Earth we all live on needs an enema.

Yes I have been in battle and no, I don't consider myself lucky at all for seeing and doing what I did. Where are you at now that you are witnessing war? If you think that what we are experiencing right now is even remotely like war, it's pretty clear you have never been on the battlefield.
PS You still haven't answered any questions. None.

Thank you!

Well then what is the solution to prevent events like this from happening again? None of the videos show George resisting arrest. The other 3 cops didn't try to stop the 4th.

Wow!!! I'm almost at a loss for words.. POSSIBLY an ex-con, POSSIBLY on drugs, maybe even crack with superhuman strength? I was an EMT and picked up many drug overdoses and yeah they can be crazy and extra strong but once FOUR of us had them cuffed and restrained we were not allowed to torture and kill them.. In America that's you know, kinda bad..

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It was most definitely not disrespecting the flag and what happened in Minneapolis shows why attention-getting protests like Kaepernick's are necessary.

I watched a different channel I guess, on it they said store owner called due to FAKE $20, but regardless, of course to DIE for ISF or pas sing fake currency, to DIE for that, beyond words ! For some reason, it was not only the act of just publicly executing someone, with NO TRAIL, and (probably even in front of all ages, even CHILDREN !), it's just one of those things we all have probably told ourselves could not happen ! So many examples, way back to Rodney King, and also right here in Florida I was trying to think of how many mentally ill people could have been tasered or some how tranquilized are instead, just shot, easier ? Or, is it the extreme fear factor officers experience ? Do they think, "IF I take a few seconds more, will I be the one who dies ?" It is all such a terrible situation, and no time to "deliberate", but this seems like the death of the man they police were just "fed up with" who was always trying to see single cigarettes to the street people who could not afford to buy a whole pack at a time. Now we add in this virus ! Will all begin acting like animals ? People now almost beaten seriously for what ... NOT wearing a mask... which our government "experts" are now, for the THIRD time, telling us complete opposites (thanks Dr. Fauci !), now we learn they are just a "symbol", not actually helpful, what if the woman in the Walmart had been killed (she had children too), what have we all come to ???

YEP! :thumbup:


Not to even mention, the number of folks posting that further reinforces why peaceful protests like Kaepernick's (and others)...are STILL so desperately needed. :ohdear:

I’m not in a war zone at present, but have been in the past. The call for mother with dying breath is a human last cry to the one who helped you when you were helpless. May you and I never have to experience it.

Heed those words, "peaceful protests", not rioting and looting. Think about it now....don't you think the police are on edge right now? Do the riots and lootings make it any better. If the prejudice is so rampant this would be a perfect time.......
Now even if the police do protect themselves it will be decried as prejudice.

Steve

If I'm wrong I'll admit it. If you are will you?
Sorry but good, bad or indifferent, what happened took seconds. Now that all you folks have had a few days to figure out what happened in your minds from watching a few minutes of video on your couches with no background on anything or anyone, I'm confident that you'll all come to the proper conclusion. Hey, why even bring it to court right? I mean you're all correct like you say you all are lets just hang em high.
Let's not because "In America that's you know, kinda bad.."

Exactly!

What was your AFSC or MOS?
Still, no questions answered. :popcorn:

These photos of trashed stores and burning buildings are just a distraction from your racism. Gosh my back is sore from patting myself on the back.

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I don’t understand why the police need to be forceful. Hell a taser would have rendered him in able to fight back.


This is a sad sad day.

Then he was not murdered . To b murdered he would have had to stop breathing there and then. Now the officer might be charged with excessive force or contributing to manslaughter but there again let the ME due his job so get your verb age right.

I agree that these policemen should all be charged. However, you don’t know what you’re talking about with regard to how high risk or low risk policing is. My son is an officer in Las Vegas, and I’m here to tell you that he has witnessed and been involved with all kinds of violence toward the police. Examples: rich whites spitting on and verbally abusing the cops; poor white racists attacking minorities just because; gangs attacking each other on the street and in jail; thugs attacking parole and probation officers when they check on parolees wherever they may live; cops being threatened for ticketing or arresting people. He has seen more death and mutilations than a lot of people in the military do. Also, when a policeman is called in to testify by IA or a district attorney, it can mean jail time and the loss of your career if you lie. Television shows do not depict the real truth in many cases. Are there bullies? You bet there are, but it has been my son’s experience that they are weeded out in LV.

What?? that is not true in the least.. If you beat a man and put him in the hospital and he doesn't die for a week or two later it's still murder..

Would any of that dictate having a knee on his neck for 8 or 9 minutes?

Nobody said to not take it to Court everybody gets their day in court AND it didn't take seconds it took many many minutes to kill that man.. He had MORE than enough time to stop the torture but he chose to ignore the pleas because of one of two reasons, he was Jacked up on adrenaline (not an excuse) or he was a coward and still afraid to get off the suspect even though he was totally subdued.. YES if some video should surface that shows this suspect needed to have his necked kneeled on for 9 minutes resulting in his death or if the autopsy shows he died from another cause I'll be the 1st to admit I may have jumped to conclusions.. I predict involuntary manslaughter at the very least but we will see..

Yes, he was cuffed behind his back, but he was strong and trying to get up or roll away. He had already done that several times. Most of the cop’s weight was on his other knee, not on his neck. People who can’t breathe usually don’t keep talking. You are right about this being a common hold-down gonebad. You are right about letting the investigation take its course.

I wouldn't say "a lot" , I don't know what videos or coverage you have been watching.
Second I never said or implied anything about any race of any of the .....um......"protesters" (as some would like to call them)

Steve

I have watched two videos of this incident.
1) the actual arrest, with Mr. Floyd being handcuffed, then walked across the street to a patrol car where Mr. Floyd was either forced to the ground or somehow became laying on the ground: Surveillance Video Shows George Floyd Before Killing, Mayor Calls for Charges

2) the officer kneeling on his neck : Dan Bongino calls '''disturbing''' video of George Floyd arrest '''really, really tough to watch''' | Fox News

In my opinion, unless I saw exculpatory video/testimony, I would charge the officer, at a minimum, with manslaughter.

Careful what you believe on LivePD. The participating departments have reserved the right to edit the films, most are on a timed delay. I recall a department here in Florida that wanted a longer delay and could not get it in the contract so they opted out.

So many hypothetical experts it's amazing

Go visit any news web site...………………………..

HE DIED!! Did he deserve that? :ohdear:

"to put on" He had them on. This defeats you argument....

Maybe I missed it on a news report but what happened between the time he was cuffed and the time the officer put a knee on his neck? How / why did he end up on the ground?

That is not clear. There is security video that shows them removing him from car , handcuffing and placing him against wall without incident or resistance. He is then gotten up another car comes up so it is not clear how George ended up on the pavement.

Like I said, see what you want to see. One snippet does not show proof or the truth.
Steve

But this thread isn't about those other times, other cops, other criminals, other situations. This thread is about THIS time, THIS alleged criminal (there's still no determination if he even KNEW in advance he was passing a bad bill - so it's still possible he was 100% innocent of THAT as well), THIS situation, THIS cop.

When you dilute the situation by bringing in "what about those other things" you are guilty of what's known as "whataboutism." That is how people deflect from an actual issue, trying to make it a non-issue, making people think "oh that's not so bad, let's just forget it."

I don't know if you do this on purpose. But you DO do it often. This thread is not the place for talking about all the other times cops do good things. You can make a thread for that. This isn't even about all the other times cops do bad things. There are threads about that. This is about George Floyd, who was murdered by a very specific individual cop.

Well lets face it, whatever happened didnt justify the outcome, but i think if you want to evaluate the entire incident you need to have all the facts. Something did happen...we just dont know what it was at this time...

She is FROM a country that was a war zone. One doesn't need to be in the military to experience war. One only need actually live in the country where war exists.

Armchair lawyer doesn't read actual information.

1. The Police Department chief FIRED (not suspended) all 4 cops.
2. That particular method of subduing someone is AGAINST that police department's policy.
3. George Floyd (he had a name, that was his name) was not trying to get up. He was trying to breathe. He was held on his stomach with a knee to his neck and he was groaning and grunting, turning his shoulder up so he could BREATHE - which is what he kept trying to say he couldn't do. The cop CHOSE not to let up on him. He died as a result - and even after Mr. Floyd was clearly either dead or unconscious, the cop CONTINUED to hold his knee on his neck for several more minutes.

Sort of like the cop was trying to make sure Mr. Floyd was dead, just in case there was any doubt.

as a white woman I cannot imagine what parents of color tell their children. How do you instruct them but to live in fear. The fear a parent must feel when their child goes out into the world in a car or walking down the street with a hoodie. It is devil in the groves over and over again.