[PennBF]

This says a lot ! Want to know about the higher gas prices??

"Russia celebrates landmark victory as it steals USA's energy security
Pravda Today. hdear

[Stu from NYC]

Sad that we are back to purchasing fuels from others many of which are not our friends

[blueash]

You didn't bother to supply the link, so HERE it is. Maybe you could have summarized what Pravda is saying as it certainly is a reliable source, right?

At the end of 2020, the United States increased imports of Russian oil and petroleum products to a maximum since 2011, the Energy Information Administration (EIA) said.

The USA buys 538,000 barrels per day, which marked a yearly increase of 3.5 percent to 7 percent of total purchases. Russia has thus become the second largest exporter of oil and oil products to the United States, having displaced Saudi Arabia from this position.

The record was primarily achieved due to exports of petroleum products, since oil exports from Russia to the United States in 2020 fell by 45 percent to 73,000 barrels per day (8th largest oil supplier to the United States).


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In summary, the numbers being discussed are through the end of 2020, having nothing to do with any decisions since that time. And oil imports in the US from Russia dropped in 2020, certainly in large part because of reduced demand from Covid.

According to Bloomberg, Exxon Mobil Corp., Chevron Corp., Valero Energy Corp. accept Russian oil at their refineries in Texas and Louisiana.

According to the agency, this is due to the embargo on the imports of Venezuelan fuel oil, which the USA replaces with Russian fuel oil, but not with raw materials from other countries, since US refineries can use fuel oil of certain consistencies.


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Now PennBP explain how those facts relate to the recent increase in gasoline prices?

[Arctic Fox]

Maybe it's time we reduced our per capita usage of petroleum products (from more than five times the global average) so that we are self-sufficient

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

Maybe it's time we reduced our per capita usage of petroleum products (from more than five times the global average) so that we are self-sufficient

I am all for using nuclear power like France, Germany and Russia. Cheaper and much cleaner for the environment. That is why those countries show less usage on your "chart" which shows oil usage alone. BTW: China and India burn much more coal than oil.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

As lovely as it sounds, there's no way we can eliminate our crude oil usage. We can certainly reduce its use as a fuel. But petroleum is the base material in plastic and eliminating plastic manufacturing is just not gonna happen - not in my lifetime or in the lifetime of the next few generations.

I would love to see us reduce our reliance on ANY fossil fuels for fuel. Gas and petroleum both. Technology and manufacturing innovations has come such a long way, but there's so much room for improvement.

Simple idea, maybe impossible to implement with our current technology: using vegetable oil for diesel engines (which you can already do) BUT - rework the exhaust system to somehow fit some device to the exhaust that neutralizes it, with zero carbon monoxide discharge.

At one point we were paying farmers to burn their cornfields, because there was too much, and the prices dropped too low for them to stay afloat. Imagine them not having to waste all that potential energy, and instead, profit from it while allowing us to continue using diesel motor vehicles, with clean-burning fuel. Right now it isn't possible. It could be though. And the oil companies could be jumping on this idea and running with it and making a fortune while at the same time reducing (not eliminating) their fossil fuel production.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

Maybe it's time we reduced our per capita usage of petroleum products (from more than five times the global average) so that we are self-sufficient

Ok, stop using electric and ride bicycle. Not going to happen is it.

Everything green made out of fossil fuels and metals that have to be mined by fossil fuel equipment. Wind turbines not going to produce enough energy to ever stop coal and natural gas. It will help but will never be the big player. Solar has some potential in another 50 years. I don’t want to here how Tesla plant all green, it’s not even close. Solar fields in California looks like desert trashed. The shovel ready jobs long gone.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Ok, stop using electric and ride bicycle. Not going to happen is it.

Everything green made out of fossil fuels and metals that have to be mined by fossil fuel equipment. Wind turbines not going to produce enough energy to ever stop coal and natural gas. It will help but will never be the big player. Solar has some potential in another 50 years. I don’t want to here how Tesla plant all green, it’s not even close. Solar fields in California looks like desert trashed. The shovel ready jobs long gone.

The solar fields in California ARE a desert. That's why they put the solar fields there. That's all those fields are good for. It's the Mojave desert.

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The solar fields in California ARE a desert. That's why they put the solar fields there. That's all those fields are good for. It's the Mojave desert.

That plant uses a huge amount of natural gas. And it's also pretty good at vaporizing birds in flight.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The solar fields in California ARE a desert. That's why they put the solar fields there. That's all those fields are good for. It's the Mojave desert.

No, they destroyed the living desert and now it waste land sand dunes.

[Nucky]

I for one am Shocked that Oil & Gas Prices have risen so steeply lately. NOT!

[Two Bills]

In UK we are amazed at the US obsession with gas prices.
At present we are at about $8 a gallon of gas, and $9 for diesel, and hardly take any notice of it.
You hit $3 and its the end of the world.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

In UK we are amazed at the US obsession with gas prices.
At present we are at about $8 a gallon of gas, and $9 for diesel, and hardly take any notice of it.
You hit $3 and its the end of the world.

We live in a much larger country and have a tradition of doing a lot of driving.

[Heyitsrick]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

In UK we are amazed at the US obsession with gas prices.
At present we are at about $8 a gallon of gas, and $9 for diesel, and hardly take any notice of it.
You hit $3 and its the end of the world.

In the US, we are amazed at the UK obsession with taxation. I seem to recall reading there was a war about it some time back.

[Fairway Cruises]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

We live in a much larger country and have a tradition of doing a lot of driving.

It's around $6.50 a gallon in the UK and not forgetting it is a larger gallon as it is imperial measurement! Still way too expensive though. Oil is the product we need for centuries to come and is used in so many 'products' not just plastics. gas for vehicles represents one of it's smaller uses! Electric vehicles have to have a charged produced by a power station somewhere on the grid, and guess what they burn fossil fuels! More electric vehicles means worse pollution. Not only the fossil fuel but the battery manufacture and disposal of them. Not to get political here but carbon is vital to our world and if you do the research right we are not polluting our planet as many would believe. We represent a tiny fraction of carbon produced. Around the earth at any one time, under and above the sea there are volcanic erruptions pumping out more 'pollutant' than humans can presently produce in a 100 years! And thos happen all the time below the seas. You really must question what we are told.