[Taltarzac725]

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I recall writing a top lawyer in San Francisco at a law firm which had just had a shooting inside and he had written back to me that they did not have the resources to do anything about addressing the needs of survivors/victims of these kind of crimes. One of which had just happened at his law firm.

My concern in writing the lawyer was access to practical materials for survivors/victims of crimes in SF Bay Area law libraries and other kinds of libraries.

But I do think that law firm was a major driver towards a assault weapons ban that went into effect. 101 California Street shooting - Wikipedia

Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act - Wikipedia

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Live updates: Atlanta Midtown shooting news

I recall writing a top lawyer in San Francisco at a law firm which had just had a shooting inside and he had written back to me that they did not have the resources to do anything about addressing the needs of survivors/victims of these kind of crimes. One of which had just happened at his law firm.

My concern in writing the lawyer was access to practical materials for survivors/victims of crimes in SF Bay Area law libraries and other kinds of libraries.

But I do think that law firm was a major driver towards a assault weapons ban that went into effect. 101 California Street shooting - Wikipedia

Criminals and psychos could care less about gun bans of any type and usually obtain their weapons through some form of illegal means. They are almost always the ones who pull triggers and murder people. All gun bans do is deprive law-abiding citizens of their right to protect themselves from vicious criminals. Having a gun of some kind for defense is essential these days in many areas of the country, both rural and urban, as murderous criminals are rarely incarcerated but released to commit more crimes including murdering folks,

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Criminals and psychos could care less about gun bans of any type and usually obtain their weapons through some form of illegal means. They are almost always the ones who pull triggers and murder people. All gun bans do is deprive law-abiding citizens of their right to protect themselves from vicious criminals. Having a gun of some kind for defense is essential these days in many areas of the country, both rural and urban, as murderous criminals are rarely incarcerated but released to commit more crimes including murdering folks,

Would you allow homeowners to plant land mines, use grenades, flamethrowers, etc. to protect themselves? Probably not as they could easily blow themselves up or burn their homes down.

Flamethrowers, grenades, land mines are for warfare as also are assault weapons of various kinds.

A ban of some weapons meant for battlefields would at least cut down the flow of these into some areas and into some hands. Red flag laws and close monitoring of those with mental illness by friends, co-workers, and family could also help.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

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A ban of some weapons meant for battlefields would at least cut down the flow of these into some areas and into some hands. Red flag laws and close monitoring of those with mental illness by friends, co-workers, and family could also help.

What is your opinion re how HIPAA impacts the release of medical info re red flag laws or the potential sale of guns/ammo to citizens -

Summary of the HIPAA Privacy Rule | HHS.gov
Protected Health Information. The Privacy Rule protects all "individually identifiable health information" held or transmitted by a covered entity or its business associate, in any form or media, whether electronic, paper, or oral. The Privacy Rule calls this information "protected health information (PHI)."12

"Individually identifiable health information" is information, including demographic data, that relates to:

the individual's past, present or future physical or mental health or condition,
the provision of health care to the individual, or
the past, present, or future payment for the provision of health care to the individual,

and that identifies the individual or for which there is a reasonable basis to believe it can be used to identify the individual.13 Individually identifiable health information includes many common identifiers (e.g., name, address, birth date, Social Security Number).

The Privacy Rule excludes from protected health information employment records that a covered entity maintains in its capacity as an employer and education and certain other records subject to, or defined in, the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, 20 U.S.C. §1232g.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Would you allow homeowners to plant land mines, use grenades, flamethrowers, etc. to protect themselves? Probably not as they could easily blow themselves up or burn their homes down.

Flamethrowers, grenades, land mines are for warfare as also are assault weapons of various kinds.

A ban of some weapons meant for battlefields would at least cut down the flow of these into some areas and into some hands. Red flag laws and close monitoring of those with mental illness by friends, co-workers, and family could also help.

Very funny about the land mines and all that!

I agree about watching for signs of mental illness. That could potentially have stopped several tragic multiple shootings such as in some schools and Las Vegas as well as some bombings such as those of the Unabomber, at the Boston Marathon and in Oklahoma City although it might be difficult to effectively implement except in a police state such as Cuba, China, Russia, Venezuela and the like.

I would definitely bring back and enforce the death penalty for first degree murder and multiple shootings.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Criminals and psychos could care less about gun bans of any type and usually obtain their weapons through some form of illegal means. They are almost always the ones who pull triggers and murder people. All gun bans do is deprive law-abiding citizens of their right to protect themselves from vicious criminals. Having a gun of some kind for defense is essential these days in many areas of the country, both rural and urban, as murderous criminals are rarely incarcerated but released to commit more crimes including murdering folks,

And yet - none of these law-abiding citizens with a generously-written right to carry a handgun openly, used their lawfully-carried gun to stop the shooter. In fact, the shooter is still running around free.

So much for having a gun for defense.

[Taltarzac725]

I would hope that it would be friends, family and the like contacting the police about their concerns about someone who is showing signs of wanting to injure him or herself and others. And using medical history to back it up. Of course, abuses would happen where someone with other motives would be turning to the police with their concerns about co-workers who beat them out of positions, jilted lovers getting revenge, neighbors with a beef of some kind, etc.

Originally Posted by njbchbum

What is your opinion re how HIPAA impacts the release of medical info re red flag laws or the potential sale of guns/ammo to citizens -

Summary of the HIPAA Privacy Rule | HHS.gov
Protected Health Information. The Privacy Rule protects all "individually identifiable health information" held or transmitted by a covered entity or its business associate, in any form or media, whether electronic, paper, or oral. The Privacy Rule calls this information "protected health information (PHI)."12

"Individually identifiable health information" is information, including demographic data, that relates to:

the individual's past, present or future physical or mental health or condition,
the provision of health care to the individual, or
the past, present, or future payment for the provision of health care to the individual,

and that identifies the individual or for which there is a reasonable basis to believe it can be used to identify the individual.13 Individually identifiable health information includes many common identifiers (e.g., name, address, birth date, Social Security Number).

The Privacy Rule excludes from protected health information employment records that a covered entity maintains in its capacity as an employer and education and certain other records subject to, or defined in, the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, 20 U.S.C. §1232g.

[MrFlorida]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

And yet - none of these law-abiding citizens with a generously-written right to carry a handgun openly, used their lawfully-carried gun to stop the shooter. In fact, the shooter is still running around free.

So much for having a gun for defense.

Most people with" generously -written "right to carry will only use it to protect their families and themselves. Sorry sweetie, that doesn't mean the general public. The way laws are now, the criminals have more rights than law abiding citizens.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

And yet - none of these law-abiding citizens with a generously-written right to carry a handgun openly, used their lawfully-carried gun to stop the shooter. In fact, the shooter is still running around free.

So much for having a gun for defense.

It is a small percentage of the population that carry a personal protection firearm, so the possibility of someone at the scene having a weapon is small. Also, most doctor's offices, hospitals and clinics prohibit firearms on their premises. law abiding people obey the prohibition and do not carry in these locations, but the criminal element totally disregards it.

The state of Georgia does allow open carry of a weapon, but the individual must have a carry permit to do so.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

And yet - none of these law-abiding citizens with a generously-written right to carry a handgun openly, used their lawfully-carried gun to stop the shooter. In fact, the shooter is still running around free.

So much for having a gun for defense.

Of course not, they are not vigilantes. They own guns to protect themselves, their families and at times others from vicious armed thugs who carjack, rob, burglarize and commit other crimes, some of which are unspeakable.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I would hope that it would be friends, family and the like contacting the police about their concerns about someone who is showing signs of wanting to injure him or herself and others. And using medical history to back it up. Of course, abuses would happen where someone with other motives would be turning to the police with their concerns about co-workers who beat them out of positions, jilted lovers getting revenge, neighbors with a beef of some kind, etc.

But would the HIPPA law re privacy prevent the release of a medical history?

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

But would the HIPPA law re privacy prevent the release of a medical history?

https://jacksonllp.com/red-flag-laws-erpo-and-hipaa/

I found this interesting.

[Cobullymom]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Would you allow homeowners to plant land mines, use grenades, flamethrowers, etc. to protect themselves? Probably not as they could easily blow themselves up or burn their homes down.

Flamethrowers, grenades, land mines are for warfare as also are assault weapons of various kinds.

A ban of some weapons meant for battlefields would at least cut down the flow of these into some areas and into some hands. Red flag laws and close monitoring of those with mental illness by friends, co-workers, and family could also help.

You hit the nail on the head, it's mental illness that is the driver of 90% of these horrible murders. Taking guns doesn't stop them, most are obtained illegally. Working with those with mental illness and people speaking up before something happens! People are complacent and do nothing, or when they do ask for help, it's ignored. We have a Godless society that is full of attention seeking mentally ill people. If no guns, they will find something, knives, vehicles, bombs, poison...People need to stop blaming inatimate objects and start blaming humans!!

[Susan1717]

So true!! Just like the man that used his vehicle as a weapon and ran over all those elderly people and children at the Wisconsin Christmas parade!! No gun involved but his car was his weapon. I’m from chicago where there are mass shootings every week. The majority of those guns are bought illegally off the street from gangs and brought in by cartel

[Lindsyburnsy]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Criminals and psychos could care less about gun bans of any type and usually obtain their weapons through some form of illegal means. They are almost always the ones who pull triggers and murder people. All gun bans do is deprive law-abiding citizens of their right to protect themselves from vicious criminals. Having a gun of some kind for defense is essential these days in many areas of the country, both rural and urban, as murderous criminals are rarely incarcerated but released to commit more crimes including murdering folks,

Unless you are an active duty soldier, you should be deprived from owning an AK rifle. Those weapons are for obliterating an enemy in war. Pretty sure we can live without them on our US streets. “Well regulated militia “ not free for all of all weapons by anybody who wants one.