[Fredman]

Originally Posted by billethkid

What is being completely overlooked is the timing/date of when these remembrances were authorized/constructed.

To look back or at them today measuring by today's standards is unreasonable. The remembrances have been around/accepted for more than one generation.

So now all of a sudden minority and special interest groups have arbitrarily made the decisions for the American people to do away with them.

A comparison? The book burning in the Nazi Germany era.



Shameful that federal, state and local governments continue to allow the dismantling of what was and is America.....like it or not!!

I could not have said it any better

[Fredman]

Then u will want them removed from the museums

[Fredman]

I will agree to reparations if they use the money to pay back the welfare system

[thomp679]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Sad that schools do not teach our history .

Can we get a fact check on this? Much of history told in the past was spun by the writers of the time. 'Our' written history hid much of what actually went on.

[Northwoods]

Originally Posted by billethkid

What's next.
The kind of car one drives.
The color of your house.
Which way is the wind blowing.

When dealing with people who have nothing invested, keep in mind they have nothing to lose.

I am waiting for the time when they ATTEMPT, to attack the American flag.

I'll tell you what's next... emoji's.
I feel that the overuse of emoji's is condescending to the reader.
Do you ever notice that some people have to litter every post with emoji's?

I feel that the poster is adding an emoji because they feel I am too stupid to understand their point.
I feel victimized by this aggressive action.
So my vote on the next thing to eradicate is overuse of emoji's.
(DId you know you can only use a maximum of 10 emoji's? I bet some of you knew that...

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by Northwoods

I'll tell you what's next... emoji's.
I feel that the overuse of emoji's is condescending to the reader.
Do you ever notice that some people have to litter every post with emoji's?

I feel that the poster is adding an emoji because they feel I am too stupid to understand their point.
I feel victimized by this aggressive action.
So my vote on the next thing to eradicate is overuse of emoji's.
(DId you know you can only use a maximum of 10 emoji's? I bet some of you knew that...

Funny!!
Steve

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Fredman

I will agree to reparations if they use the money to pay back the welfare system

It's about time the welfare deadbeats repaid the taxpayers.

[Bay Kid]

The only history that will be left is the destruction of America. So sad.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Utrix53

Well said!

You did not quote the person you commented "well said" to. When you don't quote a comment, I have no idea who you addressed this comment to. Who did you say, "well said" to?????? I have no idea because there are several comments before this statement that you could have addressed your comment to.

Now....back to the subject of this thread.................

[LynneH]

I believe if history was more truthful, the statues you mention might remain with identifiable information about the reality of the circumstances that led to the Civil War, but they were erected afterward with a romanticism that never existed... The South formed a resurrection against their country, the United States of America. This was an act of treason. Currently, the statues glorify people who were traitors to their country.

[LynneH]

Your response seems to indicate that you have grouped all African Americans as deadbeats and accepting welfare. This is as untrue as all caucasians live in trailer parks and have their children out of wedlock. Both are demeaning of an entire group of people when in reality, both groups have some people who are deadbeats and others who are not. Both groups have people who are poor and undereducated as well as those who are not. Both groups have children out of wedlock as well as children within a marriage. Your words shape your reality, but not necessarily with the truth.

[LynneH]

Originally Posted by Fredman

I could not have said it any better

You have pinpointed exactly the issue of presenting history accurately, or inaccurately, I should say. History is told with a slant. The books used in classrooms are chosen based upon what story slant "we" want to highlight. What you are calling history being erased is actually history+. It is history that has been excluded and is now being included. The statues can go to a museum without losing history, but the rounding out of the historical narrative is what has been missing throughout our Baby Boomer lifetime.

[LynneH]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Will people be happy once all the remembrance of the past is removed?

We humans do not like change and at some point there will be a balance in the historical narrative. But right now, there is a lot of misinformation about history that should be addressed. Her is a tidbit relating to the Aunt Jemima controversy--

Among the more derogatory images that populated American culture in the century from after the Civil War through the Civil Rights Era were the Coon and the Mammy.
The Mammy caricature was used to justify the myth of happy slaves, devoted to their white families. The caricature served to also mask the sexual exploitation and abuse of black women, both antebellum and during Reconstruction and Jim Crow.
"Mammy was "black, fat, head covered with a kerchief to hide her non-straight hair, strong, kind, loyal, sexless, religious and superstitious" (Christian, 1980, pp. 11-12). She spoke bastardized English as a way to show subservience. She was politically safe. She was culturally safe. She was, of course, a figment of the white imagination, a nostalgic yearning for a reality that never had been."
A popular market version of Mammy is: Aunt Jemima.
Please have a read of this excellent, well researched article from Ferris State University's Jim Crow museum, posted in 2012. It mentions the various ways in which the Mammy caricature has been commercialized in American culture, including the Aunt Jemima brand.
The Mammy Caricature - Anti-black Imagery - Jim Crow Museum - Ferris State University

[NoMoSno]

...and now thugs are tearing down George Washington statues
Protesters topple George Washington statue in Oregon - New York Daily News
Will they be burning their dollar bills?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by LynneH

We humans do not like change and at some point there will be a balance in the historical narrative. But right now, there is a lot of misinformation about history that should be addressed. Her is a tidbit relating to the Aunt Jemima controversy--

Among the more derogatory images that populated American culture in the century from after the Civil War through the Civil Rights Era were the Coon and the Mammy.
The Mammy caricature was used to justify the myth of happy slaves, devoted to their white families. The caricature served to also mask the sexual exploitation and abuse of black women, both antebellum and during Reconstruction and Jim Crow.
"Mammy was "black, fat, head covered with a kerchief to hide her non-straight hair, strong, kind, loyal, sexless, religious and superstitious" (Christian, 1980, pp. 11-12). She spoke bastardized English as a way to show subservience. She was politically safe. She was culturally safe. She was, of course, a figment of the white imagination, a nostalgic yearning for a reality that never had been."
A popular market version of Mammy is: Aunt Jemima.
Please have a read of this excellent, well researched article from Ferris State University's Jim Crow museum, posted in 2012. It mentions the various ways in which the Mammy caricature has been commercialized in American culture, including the Aunt Jemima brand.
The Mammy Caricature - Anti-black Imagery - Jim Crow Museum - Ferris State University

As, I believe you mentioned in a previous post, all history is slanted, than it must be possible that this may also be a slanted view. I am not saying it is, just agreeing with your earlier point that history is slanted.
In the text you site, the "Mammy character", "She spoke bastardized English to show subservience". The reason I suspect the afore-mentioned "slant" is that several years ago when someone mentioned "the black way of speaking" it was Jesse Jackson who spoke up in defense of that way of speaking and even legitimized it by calling it Ebonics.
In my humble opinion, many cultures have used a form of "pigeon-English" or a dialect or accent to communicate without it necessarily to show subservience.
Certainly there was racism, and there certainly still is. But focusing on old stereotypes only serves to deflect us from work needed to make real and substantial progress in race relations.
Oh, and by the way, the description of the "Mammy" character in your sited article would have fit my German grandmother exactly when she cooked Sunday dinner for us when I was little. The only thing in that description that did not apply to my grandma was the color reference.