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Old 07-29-2020, 08:05 AM
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The FDA have not approved this drug for treatment in Covid 19. Your doctor acted responsibly in not prescribing. Hydroxychloroquine has been effective to some extent in treating Lupus and malaria, not Covid 19.
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The more I read about this the less I think we all know.

I do not think doctors would make medical decisions based on politics.

Apparently there has not been a widescale scientific study that clearly shows the benefits of this drug.
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Old 07-29-2020, 08:12 AM
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If I found myself in this situation I would shop for another doctor. If my doctor told me he would not prescribe a medication that has been proven to be safe for decades, was cheap and could help me survive a pandemic killing people in my age group, I would not hesitate to find another doctor.

When I became an adult and got married I went looking for a doctor. When I got a sore throat I went to see this doctor for the first time. He was out sick so I saw a different doctor in the same location. We got along great. I never saw the other doctor and this other doctor was my primary doctor for 14 years.

Good luck with your dilemma.
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Old 07-29-2020, 08:14 AM
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https://www.fox10tv.com/news/coronav...ada19c75d.html

this is the reason we keep hearing about this drug. the US bought up huge quantities of it and are now stuck with it.....all because an initial study of 20 patients touted it's success...a study later removed from publication because it was deemed no valid

and again, any doctor can order this drug for any reason if they feel it will help. but it is not the miracle cure that some people think it is.
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You absolutely have the right to take it. And your doctor absolutely has the right not to prescribe it. All you have to do is find one who will.
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Old 07-29-2020, 08:16 AM
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The more I read about this the less I think we all know.

I do not think doctors would make medical decisions based on politics.

Apparently there has not been a widescale scientific study that clearly shows the benefits of this drug.
Sure there has. See post #54 with a link to 65 studies and also a link to most recent one by Henry Ford health in Michigan on 2500 patients.
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Old 07-29-2020, 08:17 AM
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Your probably thinking it’s okay to inject Lysol also? Or maybe spray windex in your eyes. Hydroxychloroquine as a cure came from a very uneducated person who has no knowledge of medicine at all. Now if you needed information on how to do a bankruptcy I suggest him as a valuable resource. You Dr will probably share your foolish request for years, just to get a chuckle
For those who read The Daily Sun, please read the article on page C6 about Arrhythmia. Although it doesn’t mention that it is a side effect of hydroxychloroquine because of the paper’s support of the present administration, I need only ask everyone one question: Do you feel lucky? For those of you who take few or no meds and believe you are so healthy, why not simply wear your masks and practice social distancing rather than follow the rantings of a disillusioned leader who praises a quack witch doctor who believes in alien DNA but criticizes the world’s most renowned epidemiologist? Think about it.
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Old 07-29-2020, 08:25 AM
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Unless you are a physician this is not your decisions to make. This drugs success with malaria is well documented but it’s limited cardiac side effects are based on a younger population (that we are not). Cardiac problems with elderly patients can be lethal. Let your doc make the call.
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Old 07-29-2020, 08:35 AM
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The manager of a large grocery chain is wined and dined by vendors to get them to recommend putting their products on the shelves, and physicians benefit from large pharma in the same, but larger scale way. They’re given vacations, research funding, gifts, etc. by big pharma that spends lots of $$ on marketing. Those long, costly ads onTV is marketing their drugs to the consumers as well. Imagine how many people go to their appointments asking their doctors for those “As seen in TV” drugs, or those endorsed by the President of the United States to treat their health issues. I believe it started with Viagra.

With the onset of COVID-19, I’m sure that the same thing is happening with HCQ— Yale professors and doctors have no scientific proof and are probably cashing in on claims that it could have an effect on the virus— probably for their own personal gains. Especially HCQ— while it might lessen the symptoms or keep us from getting CO19, it would be prescribed if studies proved that it works. Those who have shown milder symptoms are people that could have had milder or no symptoms in the first place.

Dr. Trump’s endorsement, and (unscrupulous) doctors who prescribe the medication, are probably invested in it in some way—even if it’s to benefit from the perks. I highly doubt that it’s being hoarded by politicians and unavailable to us. The possible risks outweigh the (unproven) benefits. If proven to work, don’t you think it would be manufactured to save a lot of lives, or is keeping it from us a new conspiracy theory?

Without solid scientific proof, (even though those now taking it claim to be having problems), there could be long term affects of taking a speculative drug. Maybe it’s worth trying as a last effort for those hospitalized with severe cases, because long-term risks aren’t an issue if someone is on their deathbed. Other than that, I think those doctors who readily prescribe it at this time are being negligent.
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Old 07-29-2020, 08:38 AM
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Just a couple of days ago on Television their was some doctors and I think health org Doctors all agree that that medication is NOT going to work to cure Covid. So your doctor is correct.!
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Old 07-29-2020, 08:40 AM
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There are a number of eminent doctors saying that this drug is effective in treating and preventing Covid19. So which doctors do you listen to?
Some folk have a very loose definition of “eminent”. I prefer going with the FDA, who advises against the use of hydroxychloroquine for COVID19.
FDA cautions against use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for COVID-19 outside of the hospital setting or a clinical trial due to risk of heart rhythm problems | FDA
Known serious side effects posted on reputable sites include serious side effects and their symptoms can include the following:
blurred vision or other vision changes, which may be permanent in some cases
heart disease, including heart failure and issues with your heart rhythm; some cases have been fatal
ringing in your ears or hearing loss
angioedema (rapid swelling of your skin)
hives
mild or severe bronchospasm
sore throat
severe hypoglycemia
unusual bleeding or bruising
blue-black skin color
muscle weakness
hair loss or changes in hair color
abnormal mood changes
mental health effects, including suicidal thoughts”
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Old 07-29-2020, 08:47 AM
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There have been many medical studies done testing HCQ effectiveness. There are more positive studies than there are negative ones. In general (not all) the negative studies used the drug on severely sick patients while the more positive ones used the drug earlier, before the disease had progressed to ICU/ventilator stage.

Here is a link to 65 studies, 39 or which were peer reviewed. Peer review does not always guarantee authenticity of results, the infamous Surgisphere study published in Lancet was peer reviewed and then retracted because of fraudulent data.

COVID-19 Treatment - Analysis of 65 global studies showing high effectiveness for early treatment

The most recent positive study was recently released by Henry Ford Health in Michigan and treatment with HCQ cut the death rate significantly in sick hospitalized patients, no heart-related side-effects. HCQ decreases mortality from 26.4% to 13.5% in 2451 patients.

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S...534-8/fulltext
The results of any study are greatly influenced by who funds the study
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Old 07-29-2020, 09:06 AM
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There is no evidence to date that this drug is effective in any way against COVID 19. In many of the cases where people taking it recovered, they were also given steroids (now known to improve chances of recovery) as well as other treatments. In controlled studies among health care workers and several other large scale controlled studies, there was no benefit to taking hydroxychloroquine. While this is an old, well studied drug, it does have the risk of some substantial side effects including ocular toxicity and death. In fact, one clinical study was terminated early due to the higher than expected death rate in the hydroxychloroquine arm of the study. The FDA, after reviewing all of the data, withdrew its emergency use approval. You might as well take sugar pills and leave the hydroxychloroquine for the patients who really need it for diseases where it is approved.
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Old 07-29-2020, 09:06 AM
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There are doctors on both sides of this issue but hydroxycholoquine has been around for decades and every drug can have side effects. A great many drugs are used off label. About one in five prescriptions are for off label use. I have heard of doctors taking it as a prophylactic and you only find out how good a doctor is when you run into a problem. Just because Trump uses it, doesn’t mean it isn’t good. If the medical community would just say they do not know instead of changing their mind every ten minutes, perhaps they would be more trustworthy. We cannot keep our country closed FOREVER and the death rate from China flu is smaller than people who get the flu shot! If you want to volunteer, they need 30,000 people for the vaccine trials. If you get it, and do not die from it, people can decide to get it too.
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Old 07-29-2020, 09:06 AM
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There is so much controversy about what to take and not take.
Has anyone asked their doctors if they had Covid what would they take and also feel safe giving family members?
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