[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Astron

Some folk have a very loose definition of “eminent”. I prefer going with the FDA, who advises against the use of hydroxychloroquine for COVID19.
FDA cautions against use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for COVID-19 outside of the hospital setting or a clinical trial due to risk of heart rhythm problems | FDA
Known serious side effects posted on reputable sites include serious side effects and their symptoms can include the following:
blurred vision or other vision changes, which may be permanent in some cases
heart disease, including heart failure and issues with your heart rhythm; some cases have been fatal
ringing in your ears or hearing loss
angioedema (rapid swelling of your skin)
hives
mild or severe bronchospasm
sore throat
severe hypoglycemia
unusual bleeding or bruising
blue-black skin color
muscle weakness
hair loss or changes in hair color
abnormal mood changes
mental health effects, including suicidal thoughts”
Listen to your Doctor.

Typical list of side effects for just about any drug on the market today. Have you read the possible side effects of some of the more common drugs that Americans take on a daily basis?

[blueash]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Let us remember Dr. Fauci is the expert who told Americans a little white lie early on in this pandemic. He told us that wearing masks were only good for people with Covid and for people who were taking care of patients with Covid. Why did he lie????? Because he was concerned there would not be enough PPE for the front line and health care workers.

Hydroxychloroquine has already been difficult for those patients who take it for autoimmune diseases. I personally know someone who has had difficulty getting the medication that is needed for their illness.

So.......No, I would not trust Dr. Fauci about the efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine. He is guarding the supply for those who are already on the drug for other illnesses than Covid.

Your suggestions are entirely speculative. You have the right to speculate. However Dr. Fauci did not tell a "little white lie" about masks early in the pandemic. Dr. Fauci gave the correct public health advice based on studies available at the time of his statement.

On March 8, 2020 on 60 minutes, he said "Right now in the United States people should not be walking around with masks "

The first Florida Covid DOH report was on March 16th, a week after Fauci's interview. In that report it shows that up to Mar 8th there had been a total of 20 cases in the entire state of Florida. Does Dr. Fauci's suggestion that with 20 cases in a state of 20 million people there was no reason to divert masks from health care workers to the general public seem reasonable? [his comment was not specific to the numbers in Florida, but I have those numbers]

Both of these statements were accurate. He now says masks should be worn, as the science has evolved with new data.

Your assertion that somehow Dr. Fauci is saving HCQ for different diseases and that is why he is not recommending it is bogus. He is an infectious disease expert. If he has any bias it would toward using a medication to treat an infectious disease not a rheumatological one.

Leaving that aside.... There is no shortage. The manufacturers cranked up production and now the supply chain is fully stocked and the government has millions of additional doses stockpiled.

You can check it yourself on the FDA's drug shortage website.
FDA Drug Shortages

Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate Tablets
Status: Resolved
»Duration of Shortage: 03/31/2020 - 06/26/2020
»Therapeutic Categories: Anti-Infective; Other; Rheumatology

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Was that the same military organization that gave out agent orange to be inhaled by GIs? That CARING organization?

I'm not an expert and don't claim to be one (like some on here) but I believe that Agent Orange was a defoliant, not a medication. Just a guess, even though I was sprayed with it three times. I have had a liver biopsy and many tests over the years, but by the grace of GOD, I am still here.

Brings to mind an old saying that goes something like this:
For those that fight for it, Life [liberty, freedom] has a flavor that the protected will never know.

The military may be an "organization" to some, but to me it was a SERVICE that I gave to my country, along with a blank check that stipulated my ALL, including my life if required.

The malaria medicine was considered safe at the time and is still used over fifty years later, with no qualms. Interesting that politics has superseded science and now this medicine is no longer safe but actually considered by a few as dangerous. Excuse me if I see a glass half full to your glass almost empty (speaking to all the naysayers on here).

[DON10E]

Originally Posted by Happinow

We all have our views on this medication to treat Covid. I am a believer that It can help with Covid symptoms. With that said, I went to my primary care Dr. today for a physical. We got into a Covid discussion and I asked her if I was symptomatic with Covid, would she prescribe Hydroxychloroquine. Her answer was no. I said “if I asked for Hydroxychloroquine would you prescribe it” and she said no.

Hydroxychloroquine has long history with treating malaria with Great results no fatalities. It’s my body, and it’s what I choose to counteract Covid. I was disappointed to hear she would not prescribe this medication.

Have any of you asked your physicians if they would prescribe this, God forbid we get Covid? I would think this would be high on the priority list for us seniors who would like this medications.

Thank you for your input.

You didn’t ask what I would consider the most important next question: Why would she not prescribe it?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Here is a link, posted previously in the thread that lists 65 studies, several from July

COVID-19 Treatment - Analysis of 65 global studies showing high effectiveness for early treatment

From what I'm reading, the high effectiveness is when the drug is used for early treatment. Some of those studies where done in the later stage of the disease which had a negative outcome. The trick is the drug "cocktail" should be started at the onset of symptoms for positive results.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I'm not an expert and don't claim to be one (like some on here) but I believe that Agent Orange was a defoliant, not a medication. Just a guess, even though I was sprayed with it three times. I have had a liver biopsy and many tests over the years, but by the grace of GOD, I am still here.

Brings to mind an old saying that goes something like this:
For those that fight for it, Life [liberty, freedom] has a flavor that the protected will never know.

The military may be an "organization" to some, but to me it was a SERVICE that I gave to my country, along with a blank check that stipulated my ALL, including my life if required.

The malaria medicine was considered safe at the time and is still used over fifty years later, with no qualms. Interesting that politics has superseded science and now this medicine is no longer safe but actually considered by a few as dangerous. Excuse me if I see a glass half full to your glass almost empty (speaking to all the naysayers on here).

First thank you for your service.

It is still apparently considered safe for treatment of Malaria there is a major question is how safe/effective it is for the virus.

Unfortunately what should be purely a medical issue has gotten politicized. For me when the vaccine comes out will take the advise of our primary care doctor. Hopefully we will not need treatment for the virus

[meboyle]

Originally Posted by Happinow

We all have our views on this medication to treat Covid. I am a believer that It can help with Covid symptoms. With that said, I went to my primary care Dr. today for a physical. We got into a Covid discussion and I asked her if I was symptomatic with Covid, would she prescribe Hydroxychloroquine. Her answer was no. I said “if I asked for Hydroxychloroquine would you prescribe it” and she said no.

Hydroxychloroquine has long history with treating malaria with Great results no fatalities. It’s my body, and it’s what I choose to counteract Covid. I was disappointed to hear she would not prescribe this medication.

Have any of you asked your physicians if they would prescribe this, God forbid we get Covid? I would think this would be high on the priority list for us seniors who would like this medications.

Thank you for your input.

The government has interfered in doctor patient relationship, by not releasing or approving it for this use. I have testimony from a Yale discussing this. Dr. Reich Is a very credible doctor. I’ll try to post it.
Here it is.. Dr. Harvey Risch on the war against hydroxychloroquine | On Air Videos | Fox News

He says it all, and has been interviewed on many other outlets standing for this, and getting the government out of the way, doctor/patient relationship.
He is not a loon.

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

If you believe Drs. Fauci, Brix, and the heads and key doctors at CDC, NIH, etc., in tests of hydroxichloriquine, the drug showed no positive therapeutic effect during tests of the drug.

It’s the doctors and scientists or Donald Trump and his son. Who do you believe?

In three simple and clear sentences, you've summed up this whole circus perfectly. Quite frankly, it is astounding that this drug is even still a newsworthy issue. I personally wish as much (or even 1/2 the) effort in trying to discredit and ignore renowned medical scientists, was instead being put into establishing, advertising and enforcing national protocols for the benefit of all of our citizens (like mandatory mask wearing). Just as was done toward drunk driving and public smoking.

The most similar analogy to where we are now is the smoking issue, where it seems a lot of people have already forgotten how many doctors and other public figures, initially tried to downplay the adverse affects of smoking in general and especially the health detriments of even second-hand smoke. Then, of course, they tried to focus on how their "rights" were being taken away. Needless to say, those folks were on the wrong side of history and we are seeing the same thing repeat itself.

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by mneumann02

Thank you. Well stated. Trust science and facts. Not those with agendas.

That's the way it is supposed to work. With recognition, that as more facts and studies are done, some earlier observations may turn out to have been incorrect. The beauty of science and facts however, is that as more is found out with studies and experiments, ethical scientists will readily admit when they were previously wrong and then adjust their findings according to the accumulation of additional facts. Which is something that those with agendas, will never do.

[xNYer]

Originally Posted by rphil11ort

i have 4 friends in new york who recovered using it

Did it cause their recovery, you have no idea. There are people who took who died. Neither is evidence of efficacy.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I'm not an expert and don't claim to be one (like some on here) but I believe that Agent Orange was a defoliant, not a medication. Just a guess, even though I was sprayed with it three times. I have had a liver biopsy and many tests over the years, but by the grace of GOD, I am still here.

Brings to mind an old saying that goes something like this:
For those that fight for it, Life [liberty, freedom] has a flavor that the protected will never know.

The military may be an "organization" to some, but to me it was a SERVICE that I gave to my country, along with a blank check that stipulated my ALL, including my life if required.

The malaria medicine was considered safe at the time and is still used over fifty years later, with no qualms. Interesting that politics has superseded science and now this medicine is no longer safe but actually considered by a few as dangerous. Excuse me if I see a glass half full to your glass almost empty (speaking to all the naysayers on here).

The wind blew it into their lungs and some were oversprayed by it. And REALLY that's not rocket science or NEW news. Everybody knows THAT! And it does NOt need to be spelled out in detail!

[New Adventures]

Originally Posted by mitchbr47

Doctors and scientists are more knowledgeable on these matters than elected officials.
Trust the advice of your doctors.

Strange. I don't seem to recall that the doctor was asked if politically she would administer the medication. Maybe you should be on the political page and not this page. I'm sure most mature adults are able to separate themselves from politics during this time. We are all in danger of possibly becoming infected or hearing of a family or friend who didn't survive. Please keep the politics out of it. It doesn't promote any helpful knowledge to anyone with their questions or concerns.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

From what I'm reading, the high effectiveness is when the drug is used for early treatment. Some of those studies where done in the later stage of the disease which had a negative outcome. The trick is the drug "cocktail" should be started at the onset of symptoms for positive results.

You read correctly. Also, many Doctors say zinc should be part of the cocktail.

In regards to your earlier comment about asymptomatics. They don't need HCQ or any drug, as their immune system beats the virus without drugs.

[sloanst]

Just say that you are going to Africa (or some other malaria infected country) and that you need a prophylactic. You would prefer something generic and cheap. If they don't prescribe Hydroxychloroquine, ask them why they are trying to hurt your wallet.

[Joanne19335]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

If there is one person who is alive today because they took the Hydroxychloroquine cocktail, it is worth the risk, especially if you do not have a heart condition.

If you don’t have a heart condition, why would you risk getting one by taking a medication that has been proven ineffective and not recommended by the FDA for this virus?