[blueash]

Originally Posted by ffresh

Singling out ANY particular racial group in this manner, whether to laud or condemn, is (to borrow a favorite and overused leftist epithet) racist by its very nature! No matter how it is "spinned" [sic]

Fred

But the objection on this thread has not been that it singles out a particular group rather this is a very specific objection to the group being black.

If they play some contrived garbage instead of the Star Spangled Banner I am through with them.

One poster labeled the song as contrived garbage and wrongly stated it was replacing the SSB.

Black national anthem?? That has to be the joke of the day

I'm pretty sure nobody intended it as a joke.

Anything white has to go. Everything.

I thought the civil rights struggle was about equality.

I will not stand for the black national anthem this will do more to harm race relations

I can't imagine how playing a song will harm race relations. There only seems to be a specific segment of our society which objects to playing a song once before one game out of the season. I think acknowledging the problem and the tiny gesture of playing a song might help just a bit.

So 16% of our population will determine what national anthem will be played

Again misinformed people. The national anthem is going to be played. Why do so many people seem to not understand what is being proposed?

caving in to the current wave of stupid, uncalled for demands (of the few).

Recent polling since the murder of Mr. Lloyd show support for BLM by every racial group, Only one sub-group does not support BLM, white Republicans.

I can imagine every non black person turning their back or taking a knee when this extra song is played.

Again the BLM movement is supported by most Americans including most white Americans. For those who believe that white people agreeing with BLM is a rarity, your information bubble is too small.

So I don't see many people, although there were some, who objected because this honored one of many segments of American society, the objection was because it honored Black Americans. The poem reflects on how far we have come and how much suffering there has been but with perseverance and the help of God the future is bright. Obviously there still is work to be done.

[Dust Bunny]

The Star-Spangled Banner
National Anthem
"The Star-Spangled Banner" is the national anthem of the United States. The lyrics come from the Defence of Fort M'Henry, a poem written on September 14, 1814, by 35-year-old lawyer and amateur poet Francis Scott Key after witnessing the bombardment of Fort McHenry by British ships of the Royal Navy in Baltimore Harbor during the Battle of Baltimore in th…

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by blueash

But the objection on this thread has not been that it singles out a particular group rather this is a very specific objection to the group being black.
One poster labeled the song as contrived garbage and wrongly stated it was replacing the SSB.
I'm pretty sure nobody intended it as a joke.
I can't imagine how playing a song will harm race relations. There only seems to be a specific segment of our society which objects to playing a song once before one game out of the season. I think acknowledging the problem and the tiny gesture of playing a song might help just a bit.
Again misinformed people. The national anthem is going to be played. Why do so many people seem to not understand what is being proposed?
Recent polling since the murder of Mr. Lloyd show support for BLM by every racial group, Only one sub-group does not support BLM, white Republicans.
Again the BLM movement is supported by most Americans including most white Americans. For those who believe that white people agreeing with BLM is a rarity, your information bubble is too small.
So I don't see many people, although there were some, who objected because this honored one of many segments of American society, the objection was because it honored Black Americans. The poem reflects on how far we have come and how much suffering there has been but with perseverance and the help of God the future is bright. Obviously there still is work to be done.

Everyone has an opinion. Even though there is a statement that ONLY white Republicans are against this, I highly doubt it. But, it is one person's opinion. My opinion is that if given a vote, the majority would vote against having that DIVISIVE song preempt the National Anthem. It won't matter to me, because I will no longer waste my time with politics in professional sports.
In my opinion, millionaire BLACK athletes are representative of the "black plight" in America. They are representative of what ANYONE can accomplish in America and should be as grateful for it as anyone else that is successful in America.
As the years go by, I see less and less reason to sympathize with the "black plight" in America. I do not see anything further that can be done that will convince them that we have done everything we can to help them assimilate into our diverse culture. We have not excluded them. Time for the crutches to be put aside and some folks to walk on their own. If they fall, then a winner gets back up again.

[cherylncliff]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

I used to be addicted to watching sports. But after Covid and no sports, I have realized that I was wasting a lot of time. Another Covid silver lining I guess? When sports finally come back, I was planning to watch again but much more selectively. If sports become nothing more than a platform for social justice issues, I am totally done. I watch sports to see sports. If I want to see social justice as the main point, I will watch the news channels that jam that stuff down the viewers throats.

Did you even bother to look up the lyrics? It is a beautiful statement about our country.

Lift ev'ry voice and sing
'Til earth and heaven ring
Ring with the harmonies of Liberty
Let our rejoicing rise
High as the list'ning skies
Let it resound loud as the rolling sea
Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us
Sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us
Facing the rising sun of our new day begun
Let us march on 'til victory is won
Stony the road we trod
Bitter the chastening rod
Felt in the days when hope unborn had died
Yet with a steady beat
Have not our weary feet
Come to the place for which our fathers sighed?
We have come over a way that with tears has been watered
We have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered
Out from the gloomy past
'Til now we stand at last
Where the white gleam of our bright star is cast
God of our weary years
God of our silent tears
Thou who has brought us thus far on the way
Thou who has by Thy might
Led us into the light


Why would any proud American object to this song and it's message?

[DeanFL]

Originally Posted by cherylncliff

Did you even bother to look up the lyrics? It is a beautiful statement about our country.


Why would any proud American object to this song and it's message?

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I certainly don't "object to this song/message" - Personally I object to be forced to include ANOTHER "national anthem" played during a USA sporting event. There is a REASON the Canadian anthem is played with the US anthem during Hockey - It is TWO countries. So does this NOW MEAN Black NFL players want THEIR anthem played? I guess so. BTW it TRULY TORQUED me to read that USA Today article (a very Liberal Media, based on articles presented (or NOT) and editorials. That's all fine - and why I read the online version - to get all sides. BUT - THEY are the ones that labeled this THE BLACK NATIONAL ANTHEM - and why I had to open this Thread. I find it so divisive, and yet another wedge driven to promote fractures in our society.

On another note re this topic - this following article hits many points, pertaining to why some non-Black folks have difficulty with the BLM "Movement">


Wow!
I'm so confused right now. I see signs all over saying black lives matter. I’m just trying to figure out which black lives matter. It can’t be the unborn black babies. It’s not black cops. They don’t seem to matter. It’s not my black conservative friends. They are told to shut up if they know what’s best for them by their black counterparts. It’s not black business owners. Their property does not mean anything. It’s not blacks who fought in the military. Their statues are destroyed with disdain by the black lives matter protesters. So which black lives matter again?

Black Lives Matter. Of course they do! Then, when multiple black police officers and individuals were killed during the “peaceful protests”, I didn’t see any outrage. Black individually owned businesses burned to the ground. Silence. Deadliest weekend in Chicago. NOTHING!!

I can’t keep up. I just can’t. I’m exhausted trying to figure out what we’re all supposed to do, believe, and be offended and outraged by next.

Two months ago, First Responders were all the rage. In fact, they were heroes. We gave them free coffee, meals, and cheers as they drove by. Today, we hate them and want them defunded because they can’t be trusted.

Two months ago, truck drivers were the heroes, as well, for keeping America moving and the grocery stores stocked. Today we block the roads with protesters, drag them out of the cabs and beat them half to death.
Nurses and Doctors are still cool for now. But they may be unemployed. They too are heroes, unless of course they truly believe all lives matter. Then they're part of the problem like so many others.

Just 45 days ago protests weren’t “essential” and were considered criminal, selfish and a murderous activity. Today they are gloriously critical and celebrated. All of the obvious criminal and murderous activities are simply ignored. If you protest about lock downs for freedom, you are selfish and you will spread a virus. If you protest, loot, and riot for social justice, you are a warrior and the virus fades to the background.

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by cherylncliff

Did you even bother to look up the lyrics? It is a beautiful statement about our country.

Lift ev'ry voice and sing
'Til earth and heaven ring
Ring with the harmonies of Liberty
Let our rejoicing rise
High as the list'ning skies
Let it resound loud as the rolling sea
Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us
Sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us
Facing the rising sun of our new day begun
Let us march on 'til victory is won
Stony the road we trod
Bitter the chastening rod
Felt in the days when hope unborn had died
Yet with a steady beat
Have not our weary feet
Come to the place for which our fathers sighed?
We have come over a way that with tears has been watered
We have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered
Out from the gloomy past
'Til now we stand at last
Where the white gleam of our bright star is cast
God of our weary years
God of our silent tears
Thou who has brought us thus far on the way
Thou who has by Thy might
Led us into the light


Why would any proud American object to this song and it's message?

Beautiful lyrics, thanks for posting them.

I agree, I can't imagine anyone who loves this country and who actually believes in equality for all of us, having an objection to this song.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Everyone has an opinion. Even though there is a statement that ONLY white Republicans are against this, I highly doubt it. But, it is one person's opinion. My opinion is that if given a vote, the majority would vote against having that DIVISIVE song preempt the National Anthem.

There is nothing DIVISIVE or even divisive about the song. Maybe atheists would object to its religious themes. It is a song about overcoming adversity and working toward a better future. Very much American themes. It is aspirational and humble.

I don't know where you get the idea that I made up a fact about every group supporting BLM except white Republicans. I posted the link. Did you check it? And the song is not pre-empting the National Anthem. Again that has been covered but apparently is not getting through to some people. The National Anthem is being played.

After 9-11 the Sinatra song NY NY was played before the National Anthem in many sports stadiums to recognize the tragedy of that event even though only a small segment of the country was attacked. Those deaths in 2001 only impacted two cities directly but indirectly it was all of us. The deaths of Mr. Lloyd (and the list of so many others) that have been the concern of BLM similarly most Americans now feel impacts all of us. One song at one game.

[vayssie1]

Always thought America the Beautiful was a way more representative song and more beautiful words.

[Aloha1]

It isn't the song, it's the pandering. Blue Ash says the majority of "white" (why pick on Albinos?) Americans support BLM. That is a scary statement because it implies that the "majority" of Americans are clueless on the fact that BLM is a Marxist movement dedicated to the destruction of free market capitalism.

We do not have "systemic racism" in America, we have systemic Anti-Americanism.

[valuemkt]

The NEW NFL: Stand for the Black National Anthem (should i put my hand on my heart ?).. Is there a flag that we honor and pledge allegiance to ? and KNEEL for our Country's National Anthem ..

Not in my Lifetime

Thanks for the memories Roger .. poor Pete Rozelle

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com

To many people died for the right to live free and to protest peacefully anyway they choose ( see Supreme Court verdicts

Many indeed died for the right to be free and peacefully protest ...

However, no one took up arms so that rioters could run free to loot and burn.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Joe C.

It's just a misguided thing that will further divide this nation. I can imagine every non black person turning their back or taking a knee when this extra song is played. All the BLM advocates will be "offended" by this. Just as most of the others were "offended" by Kapernack's knee.

BTW ....when most people say that they are "offended" by another's actions, I think that they just are annoyed or don't like it. They aren't really offended, because they don't really understand the true meaning of the word. Just like they misuse the words "decimated", "hero" or the king of misused words..
"AWSOME".

"Offended" means that the offended is offended by the offendee having an opinion, or view that differs from his and thus offends the offender.

This is especially acute because the offended typically can no longer coherently debate but have instread perfected their ability to scream in the offendees' faces while feigning offense.


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[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by valuemkt

The NEW NFL: Stand for the Black National Anthem (should i put my hand on my heart ?).. Is there a flag that we honor and pledge allegiance to ? and KNEEL for our Country's National Anthem ..

Not in my Lifetime

Thanks for the memories Roger .. poor Pete Rozelle

We have a contest between Roger Goodell and the Mayor of Seattle for who wins the Fecklessness Award for 2020. Any other nominees?

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

We have a contest between Roger Goodell and the Mayor of Seattle for who wins the Fecklessness Award for 2020. Any other nominees?

I will nominate every city council member of every city and town in the USA that votes to defund the police. However, my vote will go to Goodell.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by cherylncliff

Did you even bother to look up the lyrics? It is a beautiful statement about our country.

Lift ev'ry voice and sing
'Til earth and heaven ring
Ring with the harmonies of Liberty
Let our rejoicing rise
High as the list'ning skies
Let it resound loud as the rolling sea
Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us
Sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us
Facing the rising sun of our new day begun
Let us march on 'til victory is won
Stony the road we trod
Bitter the chastening rod
Felt in the days when hope unborn had died
Yet with a steady beat
Have not our weary feet
Come to the place for which our fathers sighed?
We have come over a way that with tears has been watered
We have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered
Out from the gloomy past
'Til now we stand at last
Where the white gleam of our bright star is cast
God of our weary years
God of our silent tears
Thou who has brought us thus far on the way
Thou who has by Thy might
Led us into the light


Why would any proud American object to this song and it's message?

Because, like many well-intentioned gestures, it will predictably backfire and make us more divided than we are ... if that's even possible.