[waterflower]

We have a major inequality of wages in this country. Slave wages prevent most Americans from working for the slave employers. Illegal immigration fuels this issue. United we stand/ Divided we fall. We need to raise the wages to a human standard. No one should work and continue to be in debt. The currency printing machine is off limits.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by jebartle

Too broad a brush, and who is this guy "they" (he sure gets around)!!! Many many, many administrations have tried to "FIX" immigration laws, hmmmm!, how is that working so far, it's beyond blaming "d's and r's", obviously our employers are screaming for help, the pandemic didn't help, so where do we go from here I'm curious REALLY how many American employees lost their job to immigrants or do they "Move on Up" to a better paying job, hmmm! If we could just keep our posts to facts and not fiction, maybe then, the truth will be the answer.

Pretty sure the primary landscaper of The Villages hires only documented workers. Most of them are NOT Americans, they're people here on work visas. If you have a problem with them not being Americans, then apply for a job to replace them. If they think you'll do as good a job as they do, as efficiently as they do, for the same number of hours under the same working conditions as they work, for the same pay the employer is willing to pay them, they'll probably hire you too.

Let us know when you get your first paycheck and we'll all celebrate your good fortune.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by waterflower

We have a major inequality of wages in this country. Slave wages prevent most Americans from working for the slave employers. Illegal immigration fuels this issue. United we stand/ Divided we fall. We need to raise the wages to a human standard. No one should work and continue to be in debt. The currency printing machine is off limits.

The Fed has just passed the debt ceiling bill, that includes work requirements for SNAP/Medicaid recipients under 55. As long as there are checks and balances (people who are disabled being exempt, adding child care credit for single mothers, etc) then I think it's a great idea.

I'm 100% in favor of something akin to "workfare."

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by waterflower

We have a major inequality of wages in this country. Slave wages prevent most Americans from working for the slave employers. Illegal immigration fuels this issue. United we stand/ Divided we fall. We need to raise the wages to a human standard. No one should work and continue to be in debt. The currency printing machine is off limits.

Wait... I thought that $15/hr was what was needed... Now that's not enough?

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy

I completely agree and I'm happy to see this post. The problem is a large part of the population has been trained to be frightened of people who are not white and shiny because they are "rapists and murderers."

That is RIDICULOUS. So political, dragging race into every conversation. Did it ever occur to narrow minded people that most of us stopped seeing different ethnic groups ages ago. But we didn’t stop seeing the problems and vulnerabilities with open borders.

Immigration is not the problem at all, illegals are. They don’t work for less, they cost far more with all the subsidies provided by American citizens. What most of us want are law abiding citizenry and who gives a squat about skin color. Get over those narrow minded talking points.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Aces4

That is RIDICULOUS. So political, dragging race into every conversation. Did it ever occur to narrow minded people that most of us stopped seeing different ethnic groups ages ago. But we didn’t stop seeing the problems and vulnerabilities with open borders.

Immigration is not the problem at all, illegals are. They don’t work for less, they cost far more with all the subsidies provided by American citizens. What most of us want are law abiding citizenry and who gives a squat about skin color. Get over those narrow minded talking points.

1. Undocumented immigrants who aren't granted refugee status - don't get subsidies from the Federal government. They can't get medicaid. They can't get social security checks. They can't get disability, or section 8 housing, or SNAP benefits. However, the ones who are in on work visas have to pay social security payroll tax - which they will NEVER benefit from. That money goes to you, and me, and whoever else qualifies for Social Security. Immigrants who are not made citizens pay, but don't receive. That's how it works. Now, some STATES will provide some assistance to undocumented immigrants, but Florida is not one of them. So the concern doesn't even apply here.

2. Refugees must cross into this country illegally, in order to even apply for refugee status.

I mean - all of this stuff is easily found on the federal government website, in plain English. You don't need to read anything on any fake news, or alt-media, or MSM or Newsmax or Fox or Breitbart or MSNBC or CNN or even C-Span. Just go to the government website, and read the details of the actual laws themselves, in simple PDF format.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

1. Undocumented immigrants who aren't granted refugee status - don't get subsidies from the Federal government. They can't get medicaid. They can't get social security checks. They can't get disability, or section 8 housing, or SNAP benefits. However, the ones who are in on work visas have to pay social security payroll tax - which they will NEVER benefit from. That money goes to you, and me, and whoever else qualifies for Social Security. Immigrants who are not made citizens pay, but don't receive. That's how it works. Now, some STATES will provide some assistance to undocumented immigrants, but Florida is not one of them. So the concern doesn't even apply here.

2. Refugees must cross into this country illegally, in order to even apply for refugee status.

I mean - all of this stuff is easily found on the federal government website, in plain English. You don't need to read anything on any fake news, or alt-media, or MSM or Newsmax or Fox or Breitbart or MSNBC or CNN or even C-Span. Just go to the government website, and read the details of the actual laws themselves, in simple PDF format.

Cross into this country to apply for refugee status…. I’m well aware of this joke. Re-establish the original immigration rules and regulations.

The ones who are here without refugee status don’t want it, they’re making their living in illegal activities.

I don’t think any of us here are so stupid as to believe that the illegals are paying for our social security and receive no benefits from US citizens. Do a little research and find out how much this fiasco is costing the USA. It’s a real eye opener when you get out of the bubble and live in the real world.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Cross into this country to apply for refugee status…. I’m well aware of this joke. Re-establish the original immigration rules and regulations.

The ones who are here without refugee status don’t want it, their making their living in illegal activities.

I don’t think any of us here are so stupid as to believe that the illegals are paying for our social security and receive no benefits from US citizens. Do a little research and find out how much this fiasco is costing the USA. It’s a real eye opener when you get out of the bubble and live in the real world.

Some of us are thoughtful enough to know that this is common. A SSN is required for a job and taxes will be paid against it. Illegal status means they may not take advantage of any/many services for fear of being identified. Money in but no benefits out. Do a little research away from the Fox News feeds, it may be enlightening.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Some of us are thoughtful enough to know that this is common. A SSN is required for a job and taxes will be paid against it. Illegal status means they may not take advantage of any/many services for fear of being identified. Money in but no benefits out. Do a little research off the Fox News feeds, it may be enlightening.

Funny. You have read, I would assume, the continuing attempts to allow SS benefits for the illegals.

The illegals, if working the low paying level jobs at which Americans can not survive financially because they are not subsidized and must subsidize illegals, pay into SS at such low levels. Americans pay far more in taxes for the subsidies for those living in this country illegally than they gain in SS funding.

American businesses figured out how to get low pay employees and let Americans subsidize the difference. How do people not see what happened in this country?

[justjim]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

Or Option C

C) fix the legal immigration system so this class of workers can come into the country legally, based on the need in the country.

Spot on. Workers are needed.

[waterflower]

We should just stop hiring illegal workers. Research Mexico's law for hiring foreigners. Serious jail time.

[Normal]

Inflation pressure will continue to rise with the lack of workers. Workers can more or less demand higher wages or work somewhere else. More cash means higher prices for us all. I wonder what a new roof will cost next year, or the year after that, if only American citizens are permitted to do the tedious work?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Funny. You have read, I would assume, the continuing attempts to allow SS benefits for the illegals.

Why do you think there are attempts to allow this?

I'll answer it for you: because - it's not allowed, presently. There would be no need to "attempt to allow" something that's already allowed.

#themoreyouknow

[Arctic Fox]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

Everyone should be in FAVOR of legal immigration for people who will WORK and contribute productively to US society

and AGAINST illegal immigration of people who will become WELFARE recipients in any form and be unproductive drain on the economy.

But how do we know who is going to be in those two groups? They could be in one of these groups instead:

legal immigrants who will become welfare recipients in any form and be unproductive and a drain on the economy

illegal immigrants who will work and contribute productively to US society

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

1. Undocumented immigrants who aren't granted refugee status - don't get subsidies from the Federal government. They can't get medicaid. They can't get social security checks. They can't get disability, or section 8 housing, or SNAP benefits. However, the ones who are in on work visas have to pay social security payroll tax - which they will NEVER benefit from. That money goes to you, and me, and whoever else qualifies for Social Security. Immigrants who are not made citizens pay, but don't receive. That's how it works. Now, some STATES will provide some assistance to undocumented immigrants, but Florida is not one of them. So the concern doesn't even apply here.

2. Refugees must cross into this country illegally, in order to even apply for refugee status.

I mean - all of this stuff is easily found on the federal government website, in plain English. You don't need to read anything on any fake news, or alt-media, or MSM or Newsmax or Fox or Breitbart or MSNBC or CNN or even C-Span. Just go to the government website, and read the details of the actual laws themselves, in simple PDF format.

Medicaid is managed by the states and they use the money for many different things, like free medical clinics, and RVs that provide free treatments and screenings. If people show up without identification and do not speak English, their motto is "when in doubt, shell it out". These mobile clinics target areas where a lot of illegals live. So, they are definitely getting Medicaid benefits. They also show up at hospitals and get free treatment. And, how do illegals pay into the SS system if they don't have a Social Security number?