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coffeebean 09-11-2021 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2001869)
Not true.

In NY State. vaccines are mandated to attend school. I know, as a child, I had to be vaccinated before I could attend school. All it takes is one state to mandate vaccines and the stance that vaccines are not mandated to attend school becomes moot.

School Immunization Requirements

jimjamuser 09-11-2021 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2001605)
There have already been vaccine mandates in effect.

Countries like New Zealand and many others are able to have much stricter MANDATES for public Health than the US has. They STILL have their FREEDOMS and the freedom to be alive and enjoy those lives. Death and suffering in hospitals like in the US do NOT give Americans more FREEDOM to LIVE - just FREEDOM to die AND often take OTHER people's lives with them.

coffeebean 09-11-2021 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 2001873)
I would question anyone’s intellectual capacity if they agree with howard stern. Just because people do not want to be vaccinated, does not mean they are ignorant or careless. The numbers for people who have died of the virus are cooked and the agencies who, supposedly, advise on medical needs of the public have been shown to be biased, political and blatant liars. If you believe that a virus can be eradicated, it is you who do not rely on facts. Maybe it is, you who is the idiot.

How can you say a virus cannot be eradicated? The small pox virus was eradicated. The polio virus was eradicated. How? By vaccinating a public who was not resistant to the vaccines.

Thank goodness we didn't have a population of "Karens" back then. We may be living with those viruses today if it weren't for those vaccinations that people were glad to take.

coffeebean 09-11-2021 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Beyond The Wall (Post 2001877)
1938 Germany comes to mind.

Comes to your mind, not mine.

JMintzer 09-11-2021 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Joanne19335 (Post 2001857)
It’s about time that this vaccine will be mandated. It wouldn’t have gotten to this point if the unvaccinated surge of cases occurred. How much proof do you need? I got my booster shot last week. I realize that certain people cannot get the vaccine for medical reasons, so stop making this political and blaming the current administration.

So, you don't follow the science?

Neither the CDC, nor and of the vaccine producers have recommended you get a booster yet... Only the WH...

JMintzer 09-11-2021 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bobmx5 (Post 2001862)
The Biden administration gave amble time and enough vaccines for everyone in this country to be vaccinated by now. But with so many people getting misinformation about the vaccine we have another surge of cases and deaths. So do you really want to go through this every 4 to 6 months? This is not only affecting the unvaccinated but people are not getting the health care they need and some have died because the hospitals are filled with unvaccinated Covid cases. Health care workers are at the brink, and they are exhausted. This virus will not go away and its a good chance it will mutate to a strain that the vaccine may not have any effect on. This is the right thing to do, we did this with small pox and polio vaccines and they were mandated for every American be vaccinated against these horrible diseases. So I ask you, do you want to get back to a time before the virus or do you want to live with outbreak after outbreak?

If the vaccine works, it is not possible that we will go thru this every 4-6 months...

tvbound 09-11-2021 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cview (Post 2002182)
He has done everything within reason, but it’s stupidity that’s keeping us back at this point. He will save thousands of lives by forcing people to do what they should have done for themselves by this point. Yes they will kick and scream like the toddlers they insist on being, but they may save the life of someone they love or just other Americans. isn’t that enough? Isn’t that what a President should be doing?

Speaking of toddlers, gives me an idea. Maybe there should be a mandate, that a certain demographic cannot get the vaccination and booster (if/when available)? Maybe by using reverse child psychology, we can get that demographic storming vaccination centers for shots - instead of to our Capitol?

JMintzer 09-11-2021 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 2001906)
I guess you skimmed over the part where I said I rarely agreed with him. but how typical that you discount Howard Stern who apparently is intelligent enough to have found a niche and made a fortune off it. the remainder of what you said is too stupid to debate.

Why would anyone discount Howard Stern?

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jimjamuser 09-11-2021 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2001633)
No surprise whatsoever. The older we get, the weaker our immune systems become. Then add to that the fact that "older" Americans were among the first to get vaccinated and therefore will be the first to lose immunity from the vaccine.

I agree with the contents of this post.

JMintzer 09-11-2021 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by crash (Post 2001910)
This is not the first time vaccines have been mandated. Every kid gets vaccinated before they can start school. Mandatory vaccines have eliminated small pox, polio, and measles. It has already been shown that the Only way to get everyone vaccinated is to mandate it. To eliminate the disease it takes everyone to be vaccinated.

No they don't...

Escape Artist 09-11-2021 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2002277)
Decades???? Yet another "expert" on FDA policies and procedures. Try again, this time with a much lesser time frame

Well, okay, DECADE. Ten years but it can be more if there are issues along way. I know someone who works for the FDA and it's a very corrupt process, as they often shelve superior drugs for those that are pushed by lawmakers because of lobbyists in the pharm industry. He was quick to add it's that way on both sides of the aisle, one party not better than the other in that regard (favoritism).

JMintzer 09-11-2021 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 2001925)
I am always amazed at those who cavalierly quote the number of children who have died as insignificant. well, it's not if it's your kid. also, there are cases of long covid among children who even get a mild case. further those fearful of the long term effects of the vaccine should consider what it might be doing to a child's still developing brain since autopsies of covid victims show brain inflammation. we know less about the long term consequences of the virus.

More kids have died from the flu every year than have died of covid, yet we don't do anything about that...

I guess you don't care about those kids...

See how that works?

JMintzer 09-11-2021 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 2001927)
just in case fox news isn't enough for you....

Everybody drink!

Escape Artist 09-11-2021 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2002281)
How can you say a virus cannot be eradicated? The small pox virus was eradicated. The polio virus was eradicated. How? By vaccinating a public who was not resistant to the vaccines.

Thank goodness we didn't have a population of "Karens" back then. We may be living with those viruses today if it weren't for those vaccinations that people were glad to take.

Because those were true, sterilizing vaccines that prevented infection. These vaccines, if you can call them that, don't. They aren't really vaccines, that's a misnomer.

Byte1 09-11-2021 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 2001991)
Your post jumps around allot, so much that I don't understand you. You are vaccinated..smart, yet you don't care if people die, unless you know them..odd. You call people cowards if they haven't served..??
you assume people don't know the levels of gov making the decisions, and I don't believe people want to save others, they themselves just want to feel safe.

You're right, you DON'T understand. Read much into what folks write? Did I say people that did not serve are cowards, or is this your way of attempting to provoke an argument? And that last sentence that is hardly coherent means what? Oh well, have a great weekend.....or not. :ho:

tvbound 09-11-2021 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MandoMan (Post 2001917)
I strongly agree with mandating vaccinations. Consider that when people enter the military service, they all receive a lot of shots and vaccinations, often injected at one time by air gun. They get mandatory haircuts, even if it is against their religion. Of course Covid vaccinations should be required!

And of course OSHA should be involved, as this is a matter of workplace safety. OSHA mandates when masks must be worn when removing paint, for the safety of workers. Workplace safety is their job! Keeping people away from workplace infections is part of a safe workplace.

There are a lot of jobs where you can’t work if you have tuberculosis, or AIDS, or Herpes or if you are a carrier of some strains of bacteria. Many workers are required to get tetanus shots. Smoking isn’t allowed usually in restaurants, stores, hospitals, government buildings, offices. Why? Because the smoke might hurt those who don’t smoke. The risk from Covid is much greater. One role of government is keeping us safe. These rules help keep us safe. Do you want to enter the hospital knowing that the nurse or aide or janitor there might be giving you a possibly fatal disease? I want Covid vaccinations required in medical settings! I want them required for grocery store check-out clerks!

Back when George Washington required all of the soldiers in his army to be inoculated for smallpox, I’m sure there were some who didn’t want to be, but they had to anyway, even though a couple of them caught smallpox from the inoculations and died. Those smallpox inoculations saved hundreds of lives and so helped win the war. I doubt that many of them who were inoculated would rather have contracted smallpox or given it to other people.

Excellent post.

JMintzer 09-11-2021 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rlheinz19@yahoo.com (Post 2001985)
I worked for years in healthcare. Basic immunizations, annual TB tests and annual flu shots were required for employment. I know noone that quit over the flu shot requirement.
Millions of school children are required to get basic immunizations before attending school.
Now that we have the most life threatening virus in 100 years why are people freaking out about requiring a vaccine.
I really don't understand.

Flu shots are not a requirement everywhere in health care. They are offered, but not required.

Millions of school children are also NOT required to get basic immunization. It's a local school board issue. NOT an Federal one...

Byte1 09-11-2021 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2002278)
In NY State. vaccines are mandated to attend school. I know, as a child, I had to be vaccinated before I could attend school. All it takes is one state to mandate vaccines and the stance that vaccines are not mandated to attend school becomes moot.

School Immunization Requirements

I stand by what I said. It's not a federal mandate that children obtain vaccinations before entering public school. It is a state mandate. Quite a difference.

Escape Artist 09-11-2021 04:23 PM

I hope everyone realizes that we could have everyone on the planet vaccinated and Covid would still be with us. It's never going away. It will mutate to survive and already has, because that's what viruses do when faced with inferior prevention methods like these vaccines. It won't be eradicated until they come up with something better/more effective.

JMintzer 09-11-2021 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2001997)
OSHA, which is a Federal department within the Department of Labor, imposes vaccine mandates for certain types of jobs, including Hep B vaccines for first responders who might be needed for collateral duty.

So yes, there is not only a history of actual federal mandates for vaccines, but the Supreme Court upholds and supports the states which impose their own vaccine requirements.

As usual, you are wrong...

From the OSH website: "HBV Vaccination
The standard requires employers to offer the
vaccination series to all workers who have
occupational exposure."

Requires employers to "OFFER the vaccine", not that the employees are REQUIRED to take it...

jimjamuser 09-11-2021 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 2001695)
So you don’t deny the facts just try to deflect. And you must be the last person watching CNN according to their ratings, LOL
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FORBES
Rankings of the most trusted brands in news show that Fox News gained ground in the six months since February 2021, while rival networks CNN and MSNBC both saw declines in trust, according to research conducted by Brand Keys for Media Post, which published the results Monday.

And as S. Weaver said in the movie, "Aliens", "has IQs dropped since I was gone?"

JMintzer 09-11-2021 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2002022)
This isn't a nationwide mandate. If those immigrants start working in a company that has more than 100 employees, then they'll need to be vaccinated, or tested weekly. If they start working in a public school, then they'll need to be vaccinated.

LEGAL CITIZENS are not required to vaccinate, why should "illegal immigrants" be required to vaccinate?

This isn't a national mandate. Not all citizens are required to vaccinate. And of the ones who are told they do have to, most of them get an option to test weekly instead of vaccinate.

It has nothing to do with legal citizenship status.

So you don't care about the health of small business workers or illegal immigrants?

JMintzer 09-11-2021 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisanp@aol.com (Post 2002028)
I hope that the food service workers that are cooking my food have received their required and mandatory Hep C vaccination, so why is this issue so contentious and polarized? Lots of vaccinations are required for various circumstances. My question is who is paying for those unvaccinated and hospitalized covid cases?

Required and Mandatory? I don't think so...

"While food service employers can offer hepatitis A vaccine to their employees if they wish, most public health authorities prefer not to make it mandatory for the following reasons: There is no evidence that food service workers are at any greater risk of acquiring hepatitis A than are people in other occupations."

Took all of 10 seconds to google that...

John41 09-11-2021 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Escape Artist (Post 2002306)
I hope everyone realizes that we could have everyone on the planet vaccinated and Covid would still be with us. It's never going away. It will mutate to survive and already has, because that's what viruses do when faced with inferior prevention methods like these vaccines. It won't be eradicated until they come up with something better/more effective.

Covid will eventually burn itself out after a few years as did the 1918 influenza pandemic. The exception might be if Covid 19 is a gain of function engineered virus.
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"The death rate in 1918 was very high ... somewhere between 2 and 2 1/2%," Nancy Bristow, a history professor at the University of Puget Sound in Tacoma, Wash., told NPR.

JMintzer 09-11-2021 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 2002032)
I dont understand the constant reference to the borders and "all" if them coming in. You seem to be the only person that is obsessed about it. Is it fear, or something? People have been coming into this country since the beginning. I'm sure you or your parents came here. Why the prejudice toward border people?

LEGALLY... And they are typically examined for health problems...

Surely you're familiar with Ellis Island...

JMintzer 09-11-2021 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 2002069)
So the mandate is pointless.

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JMintzer 09-11-2021 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeinFL (Post 2002091)
If people choose to remain unvaccinated, that’s their choice.
However, when they get sick, they should stay home and deal with it on their own. Stop putting undue pressure on our healthcare system/ workers. If you don’t trust science and the medical field enough to get vaccinated, why the hell would you trust them to get you better??

Do you feel the same about someone who ate poorly their whole life and has a heart attack?

What about non-compliant diabetics?

JMintzer 09-11-2021 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 2002139)
it's people like you that the vaccinated are now getting fed up with. You want the benefits of others being vaccinated without earning it. unless you are wearing a 95 mask while you are out and about, you risk others. it is selfish.

May I suggest this?

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John41 09-11-2021 04:42 PM

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JMintzer 09-11-2021 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DALEPQ (Post 2002149)
We have been Vax'd. and support the Vax.
Yet, I am totally discussed with the egregious hypocrisy that Mandating businesses
to force employees to get Vax'd. 'OR ELSE!!'
The hypocrisy is that 644,000 Postal Employees have been exempted from the Vax
requirement, WHY, WHY WHY??? They can have as much contact with the public as
any other business employee!!! TOTAL B***S!!!

Union influence...

JMintzer 09-11-2021 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2002150)
I think you might be referring to Hepatitis A, you can't get B or C from food. And I am unaware of any "required and mandated" vaccines for food service workers.

That's because there aren't any...

Byte1 09-11-2021 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 2002032)
I dont understand the constant reference to the borders and "all" if them coming in. You seem to be the only person that is obsessed about it. Is it fear, or something? People have been coming into this country since the beginning. I'm sure you or your parents came here. Why the prejudice toward border people?

Let's see, I mentioned the border once and I am obsessed by it? OK. "Constant reference?" No, I fear for the safety of STUPID people that are so full of mass hysteria that they are running amok screaming about the sky falling because less than one percent of the unvaxxed might catch covid. My opinion is that many of you do not have faith or confidence in the vaccination and are really just worried that some of these folks that are NOT vaxxed might not ever catch Covid and make you folks feel like idiots for screaming about the injustice of those that have the freedom to refuse being vaccinated.
Yes friend, lots of folks come from immigrated families, but most likely those families came here legally. You are more afraid of U.S. citizens not agreeing with you than all those that sneak into our country with misc diseases, criminals intent on evil or just plain refusing to abide by our laws. Laws which you wish to change in order to force your fellow Americans into doing things YOUR WAY.
No, I do not care about those that die that I do not know. It is a shame, but that is life (and death) and no one gets out alive. I have a friend that asked me today as to whether or not he should get the vaccination. I told him why I got mine and told him that I think that the vaccination is a miracle, but I told him that I would not make that decision for him. I told him that he should think of all the things that might happen if he doesn't and any negative things that might happen that have not yet occurred if he was to get the shots. There is less than a 1% chance that he would catch covid and die. Pretty good odds.
But folks like those on here that ostracize others that haven't received their shots, will probably be responsible for some NOT getting the shots and possibly even dying. So, when you call folks names and get snarky in your responses, take that into consideration.
If long posts are difficult for you to read because of a concentration problem, rest easy because this one is not that important. It is just my opinion.......:)

JMintzer 09-11-2021 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 2002239)
Well...we do know one thing....if you don't get the vac, you will be dying...very soon. So you might get your affairs in order for your family.

Really?

I had covid...

Almost a year before the vaccine was available. Much to the chagrin of some, I'm still here...

jimjamuser 09-11-2021 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bobmx5 (Post 2001862)
The Biden administration gave amble time and enough vaccines for everyone in this country to be vaccinated by now. But with so many people getting misinformation about the vaccine we have another surge of cases and deaths. So do you really want to go through this every 4 to 6 months? This is not only affecting the unvaccinated but people are not getting the health care they need and some have died because the hospitals are filled with unvaccinated Covid cases. Health care workers are at the brink, and they are exhausted. This virus will not go away and its a good chance it will mutate to a strain that the vaccine may not have any effect on. This is the right thing to do, we did this with small pox and polio vaccines and they were mandated for every American be vaccinated against these horrible diseases. So I ask you, do you want to get back to a time before the virus or do you want to live with outbreak after outbreak?

Well-written post!

JMintzer 09-11-2021 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2002253)
They are all required to be vaccinated, unless they have a medical reason to not be vaccinated.

Wrong, once again...

Lawmakers call for COVID-19 vaccine requirement on Capitol Hill

JMintzer 09-11-2021 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2002258)
Vaxxed people are in danger because of at least 2 reasons....
1 ) if you have cancer and need a body part removed then there may be no hospital bed available for said surgery - the cancer spreads and you DIE
2 ) The VIRUS mutates into a variant that can NOT be stopped by ANY vaccine and most of us DIES

Actually, most who contract Covid survive... Most, by a HUGE margin...

jimjamuser 09-11-2021 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 2001873)
I would question anyone’s intellectual capacity if they agree with howard stern. Just because people do not want to be vaccinated, does not mean they are ignorant or careless. The numbers for people who have died of the virus are cooked and the agencies who, supposedly, advise on medical needs of the public have been shown to be biased, political and blatant liars. If you believe that a virus can be eradicated, it is you who do not rely on facts. Maybe it is, you who is the idiot.

I disagree with the content of this post.

JMintzer 09-11-2021 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by fishon (Post 2002272)
I’m sorry your lockdowns didn’t work.
I’m sorry your masks don’t work.
I’m sorry the vaccine doesn’t work better than a placebo.

Just to be clear, a laboratory that creates “gain of function” in viruses is making them more lethal. They are weaponizing those viruses. It is research for the purpose of biological warfare. Funded by the US taxpayers at the behest of Fauci.

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JMintzer 09-11-2021 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2002274)
This is dated July 30, 2021. This is old news.

Less than 6 weeks ago... It's ancient!

Bill14564 09-11-2021 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 2002301)
I would agree with vaccine mandates IF illegals were required to be vaxed which they are not for political purposes. So far this years more unvaxed illegals have entered the US than the population of Vermont.

If by "for political purposes" you mean "because it would likely be unconstitutional", then okay.

The new mandates affect employment rules for federal employees, federal contractors, certain health care workers, and employees of companies with 100 or more employees. If you are not in one of those groups (retirees, unemployed, employee of a small bicycle shop or restaurant, etc) then the mandates don't affect you. I assume your "illegals" are not in one of those groups.

We can agree or disagree with the mandates but we MUST have a clue what we are talking about.


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