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Byte1 09-11-2021 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2001997)
Government mandated vaccines began with George Washington during the Revolutionary War.

It has continued throughout history for military personnel (who are US Citizens, for the most part).

The US Supreme Court also supports states that mandate vaccines, although that's not a federal mandate, it's federal support of a state mandate.

OSHA, which is a Federal department within the Department of Labor, imposes vaccine mandates for certain types of jobs, including Hep B vaccines for first responders who might be needed for collateral duty.

So yes, there is not only a history of actual federal mandates for vaccines, but the Supreme Court upholds and supports the states which impose their own vaccine requirements.

A simple, "yes, you are correct" would be sufficient. No federal mandate for school children to be vaccinated before entering school. And, George Washington ordered the military to be vaccinated and they still do. But, that is the military and they have a tendency to travel overseas where there are a lot of deadly diseases.
FYI, running around the bush does not mean the bush is not there. NO FEDERAL MANDATE.

JMintzer 09-11-2021 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2002278)
In NY State. vaccines are mandated to attend school. I know, as a child, I had to be vaccinated before I could attend school. All it takes is one state to mandate vaccines and the stance that vaccines are not mandated to attend school becomes moot.

School Immunization Requirements

NY State is not the center of the universe (although many feel it is... :icon_wink: )

JMintzer 09-11-2021 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2002281)
How can you say a virus cannot be eradicated? The small pox virus was eradicated. The polio virus was eradicated. How? By vaccinating a public who was not resistant to the vaccines.

Thank goodness we didn't have a population of "Karens" back then. We may be living with those viruses today if it weren't for those vaccinations that people were glad to take.

Both of those were naturally occurring viruses. Unlike Covid...

golfing eagles 09-11-2021 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2002329)
That's because there aren't any...

I was being polite

JMintzer 09-11-2021 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2002355)
I was being polite

Sorry, it's a foreign concept these days... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

jimjamuser 09-11-2021 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 2001902)
I agree, but they have had plenty of time to get the vac and they just won't do it. People need to be able to work w/o fearing they will catch something from a coworker and bring it home to their family....to knowingly (possibly) spread a disease is not a right. It's not political...the putting the foot down may be, but the mandate is not.
Could this new rule been handled differently, of course, by not allowing, what's so ever- nonvaxers into public situations, but that too comes across political, as we have experienced. Maybe this is our only answer.
I heard one guy on a talk show last night say... what is wrong with this country? Other countries face the same thing, but they don't react like us... they help each other and get the shot. I guess our selfishness just shines.

Many other countries believe in solving their problems through TEAMWORK. The US takes a frontier mentality about the INDIVIDUAL being the center of problem-solving. Today the US is particularly vulnerable to being split along tribal lines with respect to EVERY problem. This is due to dark media and to Facebook's software which leads its users progressively off the center toward either right or left. I am sure that there are other factors also. Those are some of the reasons that the US has reacted more in opposition to Public Health suggestions, and now MANDATES, than Europe and the Asian area countries have.

Byte1 09-11-2021 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 2002234)
PLEASE...explain your comment

Please let me make it simple for you. He/she meant the BLACK predecessor, not the Orange one. Probably didn't want to get points for a political post, that some folks get away with.

JMintzer 09-11-2021 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2002362)
Please let me make it simple for you. He/she meant the BLACK predecessor, not the Orange one. Probably didn't want to get points for a political post, that some folks get away with.

People get away with political posts?

News to me! :icon_wink::icon_wink::icon_wink:

coffeebean 09-11-2021 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 2002002)
Do you believe it's right that illegal immigrants are not included in the mandate?

Not right at all. If anyone of them refuses the vaccine, they should be sent back to where they came from.

Byte1 09-11-2021 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2002333)
Really?

I had covid...

Almost a year before the vaccine was available. Much to the chagrin of some, I'm still here...

In the last two weeks, I have been visited by five family members that have had Covid and survived. One had it twice. Of course, they tested prior to visiting even though I did not even suggest it. I'm not worried about it. I had my shots and if I am one of the very, very few that have a break through (or whatever they call it) then I will still have had the greatest privilege of being able to visit with loved ones.

I appreciate your candor, wit and expertise. :thumbup:

unialimon 09-11-2021 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 2002239)
Well...we do know one thing....if you don't get the vac, you will be dying...very soon. So you might get your affairs in order for your family.

I think you have your facts wrong, it's the other way around.

Byte1 09-11-2021 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2002370)
Not right at all. If anyone of them refuses the vaccine, they should be sent back to where they came from.

Better yet, give them the vaccination and then send them back to where they came from..:coolsmiley:

coffeebean 09-11-2021 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 2002029)
This is another ridiculous argument that I see posted a lot. Just because someone doesn’t want to subject themselves to a new technology vaccine, with no long term studies, doesn’t mean that they don’t believe in modern medicine. You may be comfortable taking part in the largest vaccine trial in history. Clearly not everyone does.

Regeneron is approved by the FDA for emergency use authorization just like the Moderna vaccine. The Pfizer mRNA vaccine does have full FDA approval. So, there is trust in a medication that does not have full FDA approval yet no trust in a vaccine that does have full FDA approval. Go figure.

coffeebean 09-11-2021 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rsmurano (Post 2002119)
So much misinformation. The idiots in the WH mandate masks and science has stated wearing a cloth mask does nothing to protect you or anybody else from the virus. You need the medical mask but nobody uses them.
How many deaths to people that received the shot? Is the gullible left going to be responsible for my family if I die from the vaccine? How about a pregnant mom gets the shot and her newborn has a defect or still born? None of you vaccine promoters know nothing about how these shots are going to affect people


COVID-19 Vaccines While Pregnant or Breastfeeding

jimjamuser 09-11-2021 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 2001925)
I am always amazed at those who cavalierly quote the number of children who have died as insignificant. well, it's not if it's your kid. also, there are cases of long covid among children who even get a mild case. further those fearful of the long term effects of the vaccine should consider what it might be doing to a child's still developing brain since autopsies of covid victims show brain inflammation. we know less about the long term consequences of the virus.

I agree with the contents of this post.

John Mayes 09-11-2021 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bobmx5 (Post 2001879)
Vaccine mandates was taken to the Supreme Court over the small pox vaccine and the Court stood with the vaccine mandates and I'm sure this court case will be used to deny any lawsuits to stop the vaccine mandates. At least I hope this Supreme Court stands by the law and not an opinion.

That case was in response to a State mandate…..not federal.

coffeebean 09-11-2021 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by unialimon (Post 2002093)
If people have been vaccinated and are still afraid to go out because I am not, stay home. I certainly am not staying home.
I just saw a commercial for candles and the lady was checking their scents with her mask on. So how does wearing a mask protect me.

An N95 or equivalent mask will protect you and it will protect people around you if you just happen to be asymptomatic with Covid. Cloth masks are protective ONLY IF everyone wears them. That is what Universal masking is all about. Your mask protects me and my mask protects you. Universal masking will not work because we just do not have the compliance in this country. Sad really. Especially with all those folks who refuse to wear masks who are not vaccinated.

John Mayes 09-11-2021 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kenoc7 (Post 2002208)
I disagree with you 100%. If people are so stupid not to get vaccinated then mandating vaccination in the worst public health crisis in 1100 years is the right way to go.

You disagree that this will be fast tracked to the Supreme Court?

coffeebean 09-11-2021 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2002305)
I stand by what I said. It's not a federal mandate that children obtain vaccinations before entering public school. It is a state mandate. Quite a difference.

OK. Agree. Fair enough.

coffeebean 09-11-2021 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2002351)
Both of those were naturally occurring viruses. Unlike Covid...

Are you saying a virus that was created in a laboratory can not be eradicated? Please understand, I am not saying that the Covid virus was created in a laboratory. I have no idea if it was or wasn't.

JoeinFL 09-11-2021 07:17 PM

First of all…
 
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2002320)
Do you feel the same about someone who ate poorly their whole life and has a heart attack?

What about non-compliant diabetics?

It must be nice to have an answer for everything.
And secondly. Yes. We all make choices. If you don’t take care of yourself, why should it be someone else’s responsibility?

conman5652@aol.com 09-11-2021 07:40 PM

Shot or no shot.
If u don’t want the shots fine. But if u become infected then hospitals should have right to tell u we will not help u. Too many people in the health care have died trying to save them because of the miss information given out by autocratic party (republicans).
Why are u not screaming about doctors and hospitals making u ware a mask to see them. Why Isn’t that a infringement on ur freedom?
Isn’t u being sick with any COVID 19 a infringement on hospitals personnel freedom to stay alive

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