[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Looking for next wife

So the world was going to hell and millions and millions of people were dying and then the vaccines were developed as fast as possible in the middle of a pandemic, not to avert one in the future; and then the world started to get better and better and all the numbers were dropping all over the place and millions upon millions of lives were being saved and then this variant popped up as can and does happen routinely and you can't find the proof that it is a good thing to adjust the vaccine a little and take another shot because you can't seem to find the logic in it and everyone else be dammed if someone tells you otherwise it's all about your rights. You can't be serious. This has to be about something else. It is only the antivaxxers that are dying now. Why the hell not get it. Do you use band aids to stop a tiny infection at the beginning so your leg won't have to be amputated. It's coming for you. Don't you see the videos of the dying and just died family members lamenting that were wrong to not get it. This band aid helps everyone, not just you. You can't wait for the polio shot after you are already limping. Why aren't you embarrassed by your own logic. I think you can still read that deaths to Blacks and Latino from covid are twice that of white and Asians. I heard a guy say that the presidential race was close enough that if a bunch of blacks (democrats in his eyes) die before the next election; the republicans (white in his eyes) would win again because the population of them would be depleted just enough. He also said that Blacks and Latinos have more and more babies than whites that grow up to vote and whites will not ever again be in charge of their country. Is this what this actually is? Racial genocide in a thin disguise? That would be a form of logic at least from an idiot crazy man. What about you? What is it really that is driving you guys?

The post quoted above brings a few thoughts to mind.

For some time now I've been noticing an ever-widening gap between what we read and the reality of what we're reading about. Case in point: the Minnesota Metro newspapers will occasionally run stories about this-or-that situation or occurrence in Florida. The gap was not nearly so evident to me before I moved here as it is now; after spending nearly a year now it is becoming apparent that a lot of these stories try to make a point by presenting or reinforcing a stereotype. Florida is NOT filled with ignorant violent hayseeds being led around by the nose by some cowboy officed in Tallahassee. Quite the opposite, in fact.

Closer to home: if all one ever knew about The Villages is what one reads here in TOTV, it would be very easy to get the mental image of the population here as a group of fogies (not ALL the fogies, but a lot--probably the majority--of them) are people hidden behind masks, lining up for shots, and rigorously enforcing social-distancing when they're rarely out in public. Again, the reality is far different. Last Wednesday evening my wife and I attended a meeting over fire and rescue services in The Villages that was held at the Wildwood Community Center. Standing-room only: probably 350 people there at a minumum. Mainly the aforementioned fogies but also a sizeable number of young firefighters and paramedics. Out of those estimated 350 attendees, I saw maybe a total of 30 people wearing masks, if even that many. Social distancing? Forget it. Not happening.

So why this disconnect? Message boards, Twitter, newspapers...people have always been able to seek out views and interpretations of events and situations that reinforce their particular points of view, at least up to a point, but today it seems to be an epidemic. An epidemic that, in my opinion, is far more dangerous than COVID.

People need to see REALITY. Forming your opinions based on what other people say or write has always been dangerous, but never more so than today.

[toeser]

Originally Posted by John41

The FDA has collected the six months of data needed for full approval. Nothing adverse in the data but seems to be some delay is getting the recommendation finalized.

Nothing adverse in the data? You need to do some research on VAERS data. I got my shots and will likely get a booster, but not everyone has been so lucky. There have been a ton of adverse reactions. That is likely holding up full approval.

https://www.openvaers.com/images/fil...rt07-30-21.pdf

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Looking for next wife

Sorry, first sentence not true at all. It is not primarily. Everyone is dying, doesn't matter if the frail go a little quicker which is normal in any walk of life. It is just that this is avoidable. Please don't give it to a frail person anyway; get a shot.

The frail person should get vaccinated. If I were in an at risk category, I would get vaccinated…

[Looking for next wife]

I see this everywhere. That is a good point and I see the masks down all over the place not because people refuse to wear them; but rather what I see and hear is it is just the delay in getting them going on again like it was originally with people that are finally glad to have been able to finally remove them. It took a long time to get them routine in the first place and this time it is going to be more difficult just for that reason. But they obviously worked as the numbers dropped everywhere there were active laws and guidelines.

[blueash]

Give me freedom or give me...


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[Looking for next wife]

Originally Posted by blueash

Give me freedom or give me...


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Very well put with few words!! Wish I had done that.

[Malsua]

Originally Posted by Looking for next wife

Sorry, first sentence not true at all. It is not primarily. Everyone is dying, doesn't matter if the frail go a little quicker which is normal in any walk of life. It is just that this is avoidable. Please don't give it to a frail person anyway; get a shot.

Not everyone is dying. Those that are, predominantly are obese. You can read the entire report from the CDC here:


https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/pdf/21_0123.pdf

Among 4,899,447 hospitalized adults in PHD-SR, 540,667
(11.0%) were patients with COVID-19, of whom 94.9% had at
least 1 underlying medical condition. Essential hypertension
(50.4%), disorders of lipid metabolism (49.4%), and obesity
(33.0%) were the most common. The strongest risk factors for
death were obesity (adjusted risk ratio [aRR] = 1.30; 95% CI,
1.27–1.33), anxiety and fear-related disorders (aRR = 1.28; 95%
CI, 1.25–1.31), and diabetes with complication (aRR = 1.26; 95%
CI, 1.24–1.28), as well as the total number of conditions, with
aRRs of death ranging from 1.53 (95% CI, 1.41–1.67) for patients
with 1 condition to 3.82 (95% CI, 3.45–4.23) for patients with
more than 10 conditions (compared with patients with no conditions).

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by Looking for next wife

I don't know any of my neighbors or family that are "against the gov in Fl" so I guess I will just have to take your word for it. WE aren't ruled by panic so we don't see the need for a gov thumb on the citizen's backs to make them comply.

Do you own a fishing license or a hunting license or a driver's license because your nation and state made you get it. Why did you get it if you are against govt. Fishing doesn't usually kill anyone. Why did you not stand up against it and just go fishing?

No panic after a couple of years of documented millions dying. Just logical progression, not to be denied.

Did you panic while charging up Hamburger Hill or try to duck a little as told to maybe have a chance to save your life, or did you charge up the hill head held high screaming that no body is going to tell you what to do. If you did, in fact, do that; why would you go up the hill as demanded anyway?

Nothing in your comment is pertinent to the subject, or to anything I have posted.

[Gigi3000]

Originally Posted by drducat

Pfizer has postponed Boosters.....I do believe they have an ADE problem on their hands and trying to get ahead of it.

ADE problem?

[merrymini]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

It's not "within the last two months." Pfizer said from the very start of their development that they wouldn't know how long the vaccines would last, and this was part of the process. There was a big to-do when it passed the six-month mark and they said it was holding firm, but that they STILL didn't know how long it would remain as effective. Moderna said the same, and so did J&J.

We all knew that there was a distinct possibility there'd be a need for a booster, or even a vaccine every year indefinitely. It was always a possibility and no one ever tried to hide this from anyone, it was well-publicized.

Part of the problem is that the vaccine wasn't administered to the majority. If the majority had been vaccinated, the virus possibly wouldn't have lasted long enough to need a booster. It would've possibly died out. But since the majority isn't vaccinated, we'll never know for sure. And so we're in the situation we're in now.

Sure, blame the unvaccinated not the medical community for not knowing something because they have not run the vaccines through long term trials before vaccinating millions of people. You are the trials. They do not know because they have not had enough time to know but keep on believing them. There is lots of money to be made on that belief.

[Malsua]

Originally Posted by Gigi3000

ADE problem?

Anti-body dependent Enhancement.

It's a vaccine boogey man and is a real thing for some vaccines. There is no evidence that any of the current Covid vaccines cause it.

Essentially what happens in ADE is that you are vaccinated and when exposed to the actual pathogen, you get _really_ sick and often die.

There are definitely people having adverse reactions to the vaccine, there are definitely people that have died from it. The sample size however is massive so it's a risk-reward trade off. There is no doubt that anyone at risk from this disease should get vaccinated.

Kids? Pregnant moms? I think I'd wait on that but it doesn't really apply to me. I'm in my 50s, everyone around me in family is 50+, so we're all vaxxed. I had a pretty robust reaction to the 2nd Moderna shot(2 days wiped out), to the point I'm not getting a booster as I'm not really at risk other than age.

[Looking for next wife]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Nothing in your comment is pertinent to the subject, or to anything I have posted.

Sorry. Analogies. Supposedly the best way to make a point in "certain cases". I thought everyone knew.

[Pginbr]

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[Pat2015]

Originally Posted by John41

Moderna is finalizing data on several booster shots for Covid 19 and urges elderly populations such as The Villages to get a booster shot to avoid respiratory complications. The efficacy of the first two shots diminishes after 6 to 9 months. We got our second shot in March 2021 so about November we will sign up for the booster. Moderna is a vaccine company that developed a vaccine against Covid 19 last year under Operation Warp Speed.

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So another change since 7/11/21???

Fauci told CNN's Jake Tapper that the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the US Food and Drug Administration is saying right now, "given the data and the information we have, we do not need to give people a third shot, a boost, superimposed upon the two doses you get with the mRNA (Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccine) and the one dose you get with (Johnson & Johnson)." I’m out with participating in the ongoing clinical study!

[PJackpot]

Originally Posted by John41

Moderna is finalizing data on several booster shots for Covid 19 and urges elderly populations such as The Villages to get a booster shot to avoid respiratory complications. The efficacy of the first two shots diminishes after 6 to 9 months. We got our second shot in March 2021 so about November we will sign up for the booster. Moderna is a vaccine company that developed a vaccine against Covid 19 last year under Operation Warp Speed.

I'm done with the vaccine game.