[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by clasyldynpa

The more important question I would be asking is: Why have they suppressed very safe and effective medications that have been proven many times over that they cure Covid. Dr’s and pharmacist have been told not to prescribe or fulfill the prescriptions for Hydroxychloriquine, Ivermectin and Buedesinide(?) It’s mostly about the greed and love of money. Research, American Frontline Doctors.

It is something I've been asking myself as well.

In the case of Invermectin, as I understand it, it is a drug that has been around for decades, mainly as an anti-parasitic. No more or less dangerous than any other drug. However the CDC has not approved the use of Invermectin for COVID treatment--their reason? That it has not been adequately tested in clinical trials!

This, from the same organization that gave the OK for the Moderna, Pfizer, and J&J vaccines, none of which had had anything close (by their own standards) to "adequate clinical trials".

You have to wonder about this.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by toeser

Nothing adverse in the data? You need to do some research on VAERS data. I got my shots and will likely get a booster, but not everyone has been so lucky. There have been a ton of adverse reactions. That is likely holding up full approval.

https://www.openvaers.com/images/fil...rt07-30-21.pdf

This is garbage. Full FDA approval coming soon.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by merrymini

Sure, blame the unvaccinated not the medical community for not knowing something because they have not run the vaccines through long term trials before vaccinating millions of people. You are the trials. They do not know because they have not had enough time to know but keep on believing them. There is lots of money to be made on that belief.

The un-vaxxed are surely to blame. They are supplying this virus with hosts. The vaccinated are much more difficult targets hence the amount of vaccinated people who are perpetuating this pandemic are a blip on the radar compared to the un-vaxxed. There is no denying that so don't even try.

[petiteone]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

This sounds like the same marketing pitch Pfizer made within the last two months.

It will be interesting to see the studies that show not only that the antibodies are falling off but the level of antibodies needed to still be protected. There may be fewer antibodies today than nine months ago but if the level is still far above what is needed for protection against the virus then getting a booster is just putting money into the manufacturer's pocket.

We need a flu shot each year for the same reason. Most respiratory viruses mutate and need an upgraded boost at some time.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

I am really growing tired of the polio analogy. Polio was indiscriminate - it effected people of all ages regardless of their health. Covid has had almost no impact on children. The only similarity is they were both viruses…

Covid has no impact on children but those children can surely still spread the virus when they are contagious. So, there is that.

[Malsua]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

It is something I've been asking myself as well.

In the case of Invermectin, as I understand it, it is a drug that has been around for decades, mainly as an anti-parasitic. No more or less dangerous than any other drug. However the CDC has not approved the use of Invermectin for COVID treatment--their reason? That it has not been adequately tested in clinical trials!

This, from the same organization that gave the OK for the Moderna, Pfizer, and J&J vaccines, none of which had had anything close (by their own standards) to "adequate clinical trials".

You have to wonder about this.

As far as the safety of Ivermectin goes, it has got to be the safest, most widely prescribed drug in existence. 4 billion + doses administered since the mid 70s, 44 deaths. Aspirin kills more than that in a year.

As of right now, there have been something like 66 trials of Ivermectin for Covid. I don't know the exact number but it grows every week. Oxford started a trial recently. The vast majority are RCT, a few are double blind, pretty much all of them are positive in reducing symptoms and mortality. There are two I believe that are neutral.

Most are small, it's true. Many of the trials have cofounding issues, and none were done by big pharma. There is a positive signal there, of that there is NO questions. It also seems to cure long covid in about 80% of the cases, but data on that is lacking.

They approved Remdesivir based on one trial where the end point was altered to get a positive outcome. By that metric, Ivermectin should be the standard of care everywhere but there's no money in it. Even Merck came out against it. Of course, they have a competing drug in the pipeline. Show me the incentive, I'll show you the outcome.

There are very few drug interactions with Ivermectin, Warfarin is one, but then, who the heck is still on that one as there are better drugs out now. IVM should not be taken willy nilly, but look at India? They hand it out to peasants who don't seem to have any issue with it. By the way, the precipitous drop in cases in India? Correlates pretty much exactly to when IVM was mass distributed? What does it mean? Again, a strong signal that should not be dismissed.

That said, there are now nasal sprays that seem to be doing the trick for prophylaxes. Expect that to start getting some real air time soon. Of course they will probably be $10 a dose, 3 times a day, but that's something.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Looking for next wife

It has been proven by studies for years and years now that many needy people who did not get into the group they sought while growing up, such as having lunch at the "in crowd" middle school table, or made the football team, cheer leading team, good grades, etc., later in life subliminally create their own "in crowd" group, therefore giving them the feeling of belonging to something special that you don't. Hence the idiotic QAnon groups and such. This is why, video tapes, cold hard facts, and such have no effect on them. They "need" to believe Hillary drinks baby's blood and tracking devices in the vaccines, etc. to finally belong to the special "all knowing in crowd group" and you will never never ever change their minds. They always resort to conspiracy and lies and that makes them feel protected and special. This is why there are few Harvard MBAs, handsome people, doctors, lawyers, pretty women, etc. in their ranks. Most are out of work young men staying with mom. Sad, but true. Now, someone here will point out the one handsome lawyer or doctor in the whole US that belongs to that group thinking that proves me wrong. Problem is; there is only one.

I sort of knew that these people were strange sorts......just looking at them I can tell. To be honest, I get the heebie jeebies when I see these guys in their pick me up trucks with the flags waving in the back. They LOOK like they don't have the smarts to intelligently figure anything out.

My goodness, I saw a guy with a long beard yesterday in a black pick me up truck with an American flag on one side of the back of the truck and the other side had a black flag that said "F$#K Biden and the Ho". That gave me the CREEPS!!!! These are the people that are fueling the pandemic by refusing the vaccines. They are not very sharp.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by petiteone

We need a flu shot each year for the same reason. Most respiratory viruses mutate and need an upgraded boost at some time.

I think you may have misunderstood my post. It is entirely possible that boosters will be necessary sometime in the future. Determining when they will be needed is going to take more work.

It won't be up to Pfizer or Moderna to tell us the booster is ready and it's time to be re-vaccinated. Rather, it will be up to the CDC and FDA to evaluate the data and identify the point where the vaccine is no longer providing sufficient protection.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

It is something I've been asking myself as well.

In the case of Invermectin, as I understand it, it is a drug that has been around for decades, mainly as an anti-parasitic. No more or less dangerous than any other drug. However the CDC has not approved the use of Invermectin for COVID treatment--their reason? That it has not been adequately tested in clinical trials!

This, from the same organization that gave the OK for the Moderna, Pfizer, and J&J vaccines, none of which had had anything close (by their own standards) to "adequate clinical trials".

You have to wonder about this.

Isn't Ivermectin for horses?
Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19 | FDA

[Malsua]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Isn't Ivermectin for horses?
Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19 | FDA

IVM is widely used as an anti-parasitic for a variety of diseases among humans too. It is one of the world's essential medicines. It all but eliminates river blindness in Africa. Scabies, and tons of other things too.

It also has strong anti-viral properties. At this point, there are at least 7 known mechanism of action against viruses, and the next thing you're going to read is that "to make it work, you have to have a massive dangerous dose". That was based on one In-vitro study and while they used massive doses, that particular method of action, is not the primary one thought to be effective in covid. That's the Importin alpha and beta channel, which is definitely anti-viral. At this point, it appears that IVM binds to the spike protein itself. This means that even a little bit of IVM in your system and the spike protein cannot dock to your cells.

You can read about it here: Ivermectin Docks to the SARS-CoV-2 Spike Receptor-binding Domain Attached to ACE2 - PubMed.

IVM stays in your system quite some time, which is why you give your dog one pill a month of it.

Once again, there is a strong signal here, it's not crystals and chicken bones.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by SugarOnMyTongue

Be patriotic, do your part, get the vaccine (and boosters as needed)! Let's get the countries health, economy and supply chain back in order.

Are you accusing those that do not wish to be vaccinated of being UN-Patriotic?



Sometimes I wonder if anyone is REALLY trying to convince others to do something or if they just wish to name call and demean them.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I sort of knew that these people were strange sorts......just looking at them I can tell. To be honest, I get the heebie jeebies when I see these guys in their pick me up trucks with the flags waving in the back. They LOOK like they don't have the smarts to intelligently figure anything out.

My goodness, I saw a guy with a long beard yesterday in a black pick me up truck with an American flag on one side of the back of the truck and the other side had a black flag that said "F$#K Biden and the Ho". That gave me the CREEPS!!!! These are the people that are fueling the pandemic by refusing the vaccines. They are not very sharp.

stereotype much? did they tell you that they did not get vaccinated? was it the American flag that bothered you?

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I sort of knew that these people were strange sorts......just looking at them I can tell. To be honest, I get the heebie jeebies when I see these guys in their pick me up trucks with the flags waving in the back. They LOOK like they don't have the smarts to intelligently figure anything out.

My goodness, I saw a guy with a long beard yesterday in a black pick me up truck with an American flag on one side of the back of the truck and the other side had a black flag that said "F$#K Biden and the Ho". That gave me the CREEPS!!!! These are the people that are fueling the pandemic by refusing the vaccines. They are not very sharp.

Pointing to the extremes and equating them to the main body of people is poor logic, regardless of what side of the fence you're standing on. It is precisely that reason that prevents any serious discussion from happening.

Far easier to hate, than it is to reason.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Covid has no impact on children but those children can surely still spread the virus when they are contagious. So, there is that.

Convince the parents of a 2yo that was airlifted today with Covid. Not the first child, won’t be the last. Dear friend lost their 5 year old to Covid, both parents physicians, everything they studied for couldn’t save their child

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I sort of knew that these people were strange sorts......just looking at them I can tell. To be honest, I get the heebie jeebies when I see these guys in their pick me up trucks with the flags waving in the back. They LOOK like they don't have the smarts to intelligently figure anything out.

My goodness, I saw a guy with a long beard yesterday in a black pick me up truck with an American flag on one side of the back of the truck and the other side had a black flag that said "F$#K Biden and the Ho". That gave me the CREEPS!!!! These are the people that are fueling the pandemic by refusing the vaccines. They are not very sharp.

I wouldn't know a Qanon if I fell over one. It is wrong somehow to dislike people because they have low I.Q. Half of the world is below average and half is above average. The smart folks that make it to Jeopardy, don't have very good sartorial skills and not many hold impressive jobs. I am a card carrying R and I like Dr. Fauci. I don't like Ron Paul or AOC or Sarah Palin or Hillary. It is hard to pigeon hole folks. We are all pretty complicated and most of us are nice.