To all the anti axxers

After months of vaccine incentives, nation changes course

I guess you will have your opportunity to show how valid your concern is shortly by putting up with the new covid laws, like in; the ever present; can't race through a school zone without punishment even though you told them you are the best driver and they can't prove you have ever hit anyone yet. Or maybe the other way; welcome back Leprosy.

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I heard the FDA will be giving out free Kool-aide with the booster shots.

WE ARE IN A PANDEMIC NOW. Long term side effects are not as important as the immediate short term side effects of not getting it. DEATH.

The informed consent is part and parcel for clinical trials and they would be remiss for not including this informed consent as ADE has been an issue with traditional vaccines in the past. This does not mean that ADE has actually occurred with the mRNA vaccines but there is the possibility.

So far.....no evidence of ADE with mRNA vaccines that I have seen or read about. So......that's a good thing.

OK. If you say so.

Like what laws? Did you read the link you provided? It's nice to live in Florida where we won't have to worry about no stinkin' panic laws.

Threats won't encourage folks to get vaccinated. INFORMATION will convince and so far there is NO transparency. Give folks a reason to trust the gov so that they will be willing to get vaccinated. Besides, other than the children that can't get vaccinated and the folks that have already had the virus, there is only the minorities left and why should they trust? Once you have 100% compliance, what will be the excuse then for the panic?

The original shots have save lots of husbands too!

This is highly publicized so I have no doubt most everyone is aware of this.

Love the saving of the wives and husbands. Let's not forget girlfriends and boyfriends, etc. Good point.

Physicians recommending against vaccinations does happen. My wife, for example, reacts pretty negatively to any drug: her last flu shot (actually, also her first--she almost never gets sick from anything) was pretty rough. She ended up with a very high fever, pneumonia, severe aching in her joints--the whole ball of wax. Her doctor told her in no uncertain terms to avoid vaccines.

I agree with everything you said but........paragraphs are your friend.

The locals are already going against the gov in Fl. We are the highest. You don't think the laws are coming here too. It's already started.

WOW! So let’s look at who is at risk from Covid. It’s primarily overweight people in poor health. If you’re not one of those, or in another high risk category, your chances of being hospitalized or dying from Covid are extremely low. So, while death is possible from Covid, it is also possible from a myriad of other things. So for me, the short term benefits of the vaccine are overshadowed by the potential long term risks.

Very true and many others too.

I don't know any of my neighbors or family that are "against the gov in Fl" so I guess I will just have to take your word for it. WE aren't ruled by panic so we don't see the need for a gov thumb on the citizen's backs to make them comply.

I don't know any of my neighbors or family that are "against the gov in Fl" so I guess I will just have to take your word for it. WE aren't ruled by panic so we don't see the need for a gov thumb on the citizen's backs to make them comply.

Do you own a fishing license or a hunting license or a driver's license because your nation and state made you get it. Why did you get it if you are against govt. Fishing doesn't usually kill anyone. Why did you not stand up against it and just go fishing?

No panic after a couple of years of documented millions dying. Just logical progression, not to be denied.

Did you panic while charging up Hamburger Hill or try to duck a little as told to maybe have a chance to save your life, or did you charge up the hill head held high screaming that no body is going to tell you what to do. If you did, in fact, do that; why would you go up the hill as demanded anyway?

I think that anyone who rushes to shots and continues to trust this government without really looking into it deciding for themselves and their doctor is exactly the kind of puppet that the people in control want.

Anyone who falls for this pressure without diligently pursuing their own situation and deciding whether or not these vaccines or a great idea just being a sheep.

I am not anti-vaccine and if things were different I would probably feel differently. There's just so many people acting superior to those who choose not to get the vaccine that it scares me. That plays into the plan of those in power and that's what they want.

The fear will always continue until we push back. I'm not saying that the vaccine is your way to push back but the vaccine is certainly part of the political ploy. It's not right for everyone it's experimental, 44,000 emergency room visits have happened from people who got the vaccines, there have been deaths from the vaccines, there has been paralysis and blood clots from the vaccines and of course we all know that you can still get COVID from the vaccines. Seems to me they just keep moving the goal post trying to keep us in fear and trying to keep us grasping and desperate.

Again if the vaccine is your decision I'm all for it If you're doing if you're getting it due to peer pressure or for any other reason I think you're part of the problem.

Sorry, first sentence not true at all. It is not primarily. Everyone is dying, doesn't matter if the frail go a little quicker which is normal in any walk of life. It is just that this is avoidable. Please don't give it to a frail person anyway; get a shot.

i haven't heard a convincing argument to get any vaccine. And i have had covid

If Betty dies; will you be convinced? Beske

The post quoted above brings a few thoughts to mind.

For some time now I've been noticing an ever-widening gap between what we read and the reality of what we're reading about. Case in point: the Minnesota Metro newspapers will occasionally run stories about this-or-that situation or occurrence in Florida. The gap was not nearly so evident to me before I moved here as it is now; after spending nearly a year now it is becoming apparent that a lot of these stories try to make a point by presenting or reinforcing a stereotype. Florida is NOT filled with ignorant violent hayseeds being led around by the nose by some cowboy officed in Tallahassee. Quite the opposite, in fact.

Closer to home: if all one ever knew about The Villages is what one reads here in TOTV, it would be very easy to get the mental image of the population here as a group of fogies (not ALL the fogies, but a lot--probably the majority--of them) are people hidden behind masks, lining up for shots, and rigorously enforcing social-distancing when they're rarely out in public. Again, the reality is far different. Last Wednesday evening my wife and I attended a meeting over fire and rescue services in The Villages that was held at the Wildwood Community Center. Standing-room only: probably 350 people there at a minumum. Mainly the aforementioned fogies but also a sizeable number of young firefighters and paramedics. Out of those estimated 350 attendees, I saw maybe a total of 30 people wearing masks, if even that many. Social distancing? Forget it. Not happening.

So why this disconnect? Message boards, Twitter, newspapers...people have always been able to seek out views and interpretations of events and situations that reinforce their particular points of view, at least up to a point, but today it seems to be an epidemic. An epidemic that, in my opinion, is far more dangerous than COVID.

People need to see REALITY. Forming your opinions based on what other people say or write has always been dangerous, but never more so than today.

Nothing adverse in the data? You need to do some research on VAERS data. I got my shots and will likely get a booster, but not everyone has been so lucky. There have been a ton of adverse reactions. That is likely holding up full approval.

https://www.openvaers.com/images/fil...rt07-30-21.pdf

The frail person should get vaccinated. If I were in an at risk category, I would get vaccinated…

I see this everywhere. That is a good point and I see the masks down all over the place not because people refuse to wear them; but rather what I see and hear is it is just the delay in getting them going on again like it was originally with people that are finally glad to have been able to finally remove them. It took a long time to get them routine in the first place and this time it is going to be more difficult just for that reason. But they obviously worked as the numbers dropped everywhere there were active laws and guidelines.

Very well put with few words!! Wish I had done that.

Not everyone is dying. Those that are, predominantly are obese. You can read the entire report from the CDC here:


https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/pdf/21_0123.pdf

Among 4,899,447 hospitalized adults in PHD-SR, 540,667
(11.0%) were patients with COVID-19, of whom 94.9% had at
least 1 underlying medical condition. Essential hypertension
(50.4%), disorders of lipid metabolism (49.4%), and obesity
(33.0%) were the most common. The strongest risk factors for
death were obesity (adjusted risk ratio [aRR] = 1.30; 95% CI,
1.27–1.33), anxiety and fear-related disorders (aRR = 1.28; 95%
CI, 1.25–1.31), and diabetes with complication (aRR = 1.26; 95%
CI, 1.24–1.28), as well as the total number of conditions, with
aRRs of death ranging from 1.53 (95% CI, 1.41–1.67) for patients
with 1 condition to 3.82 (95% CI, 3.45–4.23) for patients with
more than 10 conditions (compared with patients with no conditions).

Nothing in your comment is pertinent to the subject, or to anything I have posted.

ADE problem?

Blame the unvaccinated
 

Sure, blame the unvaccinated not the medical community for not knowing something because they have not run the vaccines through long term trials before vaccinating millions of people. You are the trials. They do not know because they have not had enough time to know but keep on believing them. There is lots of money to be made on that belief.

Anti-body dependent Enhancement.

It's a vaccine boogey man and is a real thing for some vaccines. There is no evidence that any of the current Covid vaccines cause it.

Essentially what happens in ADE is that you are vaccinated and when exposed to the actual pathogen, you get _really_ sick and often die.

There are definitely people having adverse reactions to the vaccine, there are definitely people that have died from it. The sample size however is massive so it's a risk-reward trade off. There is no doubt that anyone at risk from this disease should get vaccinated.

Kids? Pregnant moms? I think I'd wait on that but it doesn't really apply to me. I'm in my 50s, everyone around me in family is 50+, so we're all vaxxed. I had a pretty robust reaction to the 2nd Moderna shot(2 days wiped out), to the point I'm not getting a booster as I'm not really at risk other than age.

Sorry. Analogies. Supposedly the best way to make a point in "certain cases". I thought everyone knew.

Tos

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So another change since 7/11/21???

Fauci told CNN's Jake Tapper that the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the US Food and Drug Administration is saying right now, "given the data and the information we have, we do not need to give people a third shot, a boost, superimposed upon the two doses you get with the mRNA (Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccine) and the one dose you get with (Johnson & Johnson)." I’m out with participating in the ongoing clinical study!

I'm done with the vaccine game.

The more important question I would be asking is: Why have they suppressed very safe and effective medications that have been proven many times over that they cure Covid. Dr’s and pharmacist have been told not to prescribe or fulfill the prescriptions for Hydroxychloriquine, Ivermectin and Buedesinide(?) It’s mostly about the greed and love of money. Research, American Frontline Doctors.

When I read this, my blood boils. As it does when I read that Cancer could be cured if it were not for the greed of the doctors.

I am a believer in truth, and in the diligent scientists who developed the vaccines against polio, against Small pox, etc. etc. etc. I respect the high intelligence, and the skill that it takes to bring us this prevention. I worry that this virus will continue to mutate and could possibly reach the point of VERY DIRE CONSEQUENCES.

Me and mine will get a booster, if one is offered and recommended by those people who know more about immunity that we do.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Be patriotic, do your part, get the vaccine (and boosters as needed)! Let's get the countries health, economy and supply chain back in order.

So....did you get the vaccine shot?

I am far from an expert. There is no shortage of people who do not know, posting very partial information.

I was going to post that I read that Pfizer also has a booster. We have gotten both of the Pfizer shots. That was an adventure. Waking up at 5:30 4-5x to wait in the hope of getting an appointment. Now as I predicted, I expected a grocery credit. I don't think it has come to that. They are just handing out hundred dollar bills or whatever.

I also have read Moderna is an American owned company, Pfizer is owned, by Germany, the US and CHINA-whatever that means.

I have also read that moderna is slightly less expensive than Pfizer.

All this debate. If, I am correct the polio shot and small pox shots were forced. You had to have them to go to school. The debate? Your going for the polio shot weds. Debate
YES MOM.