Though three weeks ago Fauci said boosters were not necessary??? Exactly what “scientists” is one to believe? I’m out with participating in the ongoing clinical study!

I am really growing tired of the polio analogy. Polio was indiscriminate - it effected people of all ages regardless of their health. Covid has had almost no impact on children. The only similarity is they were both viruses…

Polio, interesting history. Dr Salk came up with an effective polio vaccine in 1953.
I was three years old. Parents used to live in fear that their kids would catch polio.
Depending on how much damage it did to you, it could mean living the rest of your life in a breathing device called an iron lung. Even then we had pet names for such horrors.

First of all Dr Salk gave the vaccine to the world and made nothing on it. Secondly, there was no debate. If, you wanted to go to school, and you were forced to go to school, you had to get the shot. If, I recall it was several shots boosters etc. Polio is gone in the US
except when we allow it to be imported.

Things have surely changed. Mom said we are going for a polio shot and we went.
There was no debate. I did not have a cell phone. Not sure if child protection services existed. Hum, if I didn't miss them. If, they didn't get married before having kids. If, they didn't work so hard for us. Surely, I could, I SHOULD sue them. POST TOILET TRAINING SYNDROME???????????

I believe the Fauci, the CDC, and the FDA said boosters were not necessary in response to Pfizer suggesting they were. Now Moderna is suggesting boosters are necessary.

Perhaps boosters will be necessary but we need more than the manufacturer saying, "come and get it."

When you did your research on adverse reactions, what were the top five and what percentage of the events did they cover?

It has been proven by studies for years and years now that many needy people who did not get into the group they sought while growing up, such as having lunch at the "in crowd" middle school table, or made the football team, cheer leading team, good grades, etc., later in life subliminally create their own "in crowd" group, therefore giving them the feeling of belonging to something special that you don't. Hence the idiotic QAnon groups and such. This is why, video tapes, cold hard facts, and such have no effect on them. They "need" to believe Hillary drinks baby's blood and tracking devices in the vaccines, etc. to finally belong to the special "all knowing in crowd group" and you will never never ever change their minds. They always resort to conspiracy and lies and that makes them feel protected and special. This is why there are few Harvard MBAs, handsome people, doctors, lawyers, pretty women, etc. in their ranks. Most are out of work young men staying with mom. Sad, but true. Now, someone here will point out the one handsome lawyer or doctor in the whole US that belongs to that group thinking that proves me wrong. Problem is; there is only one.

Driven by money, not the welfare of the people. No more shots for me.

I received the Polio vaccine via a sugar cube. Did I get ripped off? Or, did you?:1rotfl:

He is responding to conditions as the figures arrive. I think one thing that IS different is that many, many, many, many more people are getting tested for Covid. Everytime I see the lines for this, I wonder why the lines are not that long for the shots.

Lots of people are getting Covid and not so many people are dying from it, because they are younger. The older you are the worse it is for you to get sick with this bug.

It just seems so frustrating to me, that the vaccine is there, certainly not without risk, but the risk of being inoculated is far less than getting the damn Delta mutation.

How about that these mRNA vaccines are life saving. Is that not convincing enough for you? Saving lives is not important enough for you? SMH.

It is something I've been asking myself as well.

In the case of Invermectin, as I understand it, it is a drug that has been around for decades, mainly as an anti-parasitic. No more or less dangerous than any other drug. However the CDC has not approved the use of Invermectin for COVID treatment--their reason? That it has not been adequately tested in clinical trials!

This, from the same organization that gave the OK for the Moderna, Pfizer, and J&J vaccines, none of which had had anything close (by their own standards) to "adequate clinical trials".

You have to wonder about this.

This is garbage. Full FDA approval coming soon.

The un-vaxxed are surely to blame. They are supplying this virus with hosts. The vaccinated are much more difficult targets hence the amount of vaccinated people who are perpetuating this pandemic are a blip on the radar compared to the un-vaxxed. There is no denying that so don't even try.

We need a flu shot each year for the same reason. Most respiratory viruses mutate and need an upgraded boost at some time.

Covid has no impact on children but those children can surely still spread the virus when they are contagious. So, there is that.

As far as the safety of Ivermectin goes, it has got to be the safest, most widely prescribed drug in existence. 4 billion + doses administered since the mid 70s, 44 deaths. Aspirin kills more than that in a year.

As of right now, there have been something like 66 trials of Ivermectin for Covid. I don't know the exact number but it grows every week. Oxford started a trial recently. The vast majority are RCT, a few are double blind, pretty much all of them are positive in reducing symptoms and mortality. There are two I believe that are neutral.

Most are small, it's true. Many of the trials have cofounding issues, and none were done by big pharma. There is a positive signal there, of that there is NO questions. It also seems to cure long covid in about 80% of the cases, but data on that is lacking.

They approved Remdesivir based on one trial where the end point was altered to get a positive outcome. By that metric, Ivermectin should be the standard of care everywhere but there's no money in it. Even Merck came out against it. Of course, they have a competing drug in the pipeline. Show me the incentive, I'll show you the outcome.

There are very few drug interactions with Ivermectin, Warfarin is one, but then, who the heck is still on that one as there are better drugs out now. IVM should not be taken willy nilly, but look at India? They hand it out to peasants who don't seem to have any issue with it. By the way, the precipitous drop in cases in India? Correlates pretty much exactly to when IVM was mass distributed? What does it mean? Again, a strong signal that should not be dismissed.

That said, there are now nasal sprays that seem to be doing the trick for prophylaxes. Expect that to start getting some real air time soon. Of course they will probably be $10 a dose, 3 times a day, but that's something.

I sort of knew that these people were strange sorts......just looking at them I can tell. To be honest, I get the heebie jeebies when I see these guys in their pick me up trucks with the flags waving in the back. They LOOK like they don't have the smarts to intelligently figure anything out.

My goodness, I saw a guy with a long beard yesterday in a black pick me up truck with an American flag on one side of the back of the truck and the other side had a black flag that said "F$#K Biden and the Ho". That gave me the CREEPS!!!! These are the people that are fueling the pandemic by refusing the vaccines. They are not very sharp.

I think you may have misunderstood my post. It is entirely possible that boosters will be necessary sometime in the future. Determining when they will be needed is going to take more work.

It won't be up to Pfizer or Moderna to tell us the booster is ready and it's time to be re-vaccinated. Rather, it will be up to the CDC and FDA to evaluate the data and identify the point where the vaccine is no longer providing sufficient protection.

Isn't Ivermectin for horses?
Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19 | FDA

IVM is widely used as an anti-parasitic for a variety of diseases among humans too. It is one of the world's essential medicines. It all but eliminates river blindness in Africa. Scabies, and tons of other things too.

It also has strong anti-viral properties. At this point, there are at least 7 known mechanism of action against viruses, and the next thing you're going to read is that "to make it work, you have to have a massive dangerous dose". That was based on one In-vitro study and while they used massive doses, that particular method of action, is not the primary one thought to be effective in covid. That's the Importin alpha and beta channel, which is definitely anti-viral. At this point, it appears that IVM binds to the spike protein itself. This means that even a little bit of IVM in your system and the spike protein cannot dock to your cells.

You can read about it here: Ivermectin Docks to the SARS-CoV-2 Spike Receptor-binding Domain Attached to ACE2 - PubMed.

IVM stays in your system quite some time, which is why you give your dog one pill a month of it.

Once again, there is a strong signal here, it's not crystals and chicken bones.

Are you accusing those that do not wish to be vaccinated of being UN-Patriotic?



Sometimes I wonder if anyone is REALLY trying to convince others to do something or if they just wish to name call and demean them.

stereotype much? did they tell you that they did not get vaccinated? was it the American flag that bothered you?

Pointing to the extremes and equating them to the main body of people is poor logic, regardless of what side of the fence you're standing on. It is precisely that reason that prevents any serious discussion from happening.

Far easier to hate, than it is to reason.

Convince the parents of a 2yo that was airlifted today with Covid. Not the first child, won’t be the last. Dear friend lost their 5 year old to Covid, both parents physicians, everything they studied for couldn’t save their child

I wouldn't know a Qanon if I fell over one. It is wrong somehow to dislike people because they have low I.Q. Half of the world is below average and half is above average. The smart folks that make it to Jeopardy, don't have very good sartorial skills and not many hold impressive jobs. I am a card carrying R and I like Dr. Fauci. I don't like Ron Paul or AOC or Sarah Palin or Hillary. It is hard to pigeon hole folks. We are all pretty complicated and most of us are nice.

Let's turn that around.......do you consider those who are not doing their part (getting vaccinated) for the good of their country and countrymen, patriotic?

Oh please! Of course there is the stereotype. If the shoe fits.There is no way in hell these folks are vaccinated as a generalization and you know it......

The American flag will never bother me. The way our flag was displayed along with the other flag, however, DID bother me.

Sorry.....I take back what I said about children not being affected. Children most certainly are affected by Covid and most certainly have died from Covid, just not in the numbers that seniors are affected.

Gracie.....believe me. If you saw that fellow in the pick me up truck that I saw the other day, you would KNOW what they look like. Take a look at all those who stormed the Capitol. That will give you an idea. You know.....that guy with the horns on his head? That is what I'm talking about.

This has nothing to do with patriotism. You got vaccinated to protect yourself. Now you and others who were calling day and night, to get to the front of the line, to get your shots - did it for the good of the country… please…

I can only tell you why I was vaccinated. First of all to save my own ass. Second of all to get our country to a SAFE herd immunity. That is my story and I can not speak for others.

Anything beyond the first reason is just convenient…
You did it for you, which is fine. It hard to stomach those acting sanctimonious after the fact…

Um... I think that was pigeon holing.

So anyone in a pickup displaying an American flag and a political flag you don't like, MUST be unvaccinated and be a Qanon supporter?...OK got it...

Lots opinions with few facts. The problem seems to be the “facts” are always wrapped in politics - left or right but still political.

As I said, if the shoe fits.........

So since the majority of unvaccinated are minorities, every time you see a low rider Cadillac with 21" shiny rims you assume they are unvaccinated and in a Blood or Crip gang...OK got it.

With respect to needing a booster some preliminary results in several countries show the highly contagious Delta variant burns itself out without requiring a booster. One issue is new variants coming into the US from illegal immigration on the Southern border due to poor border management. The immigration controls on the Southern border need to be brought up to the standards for immigration into the US from the rest of the world. A second issue is vaccine hesitancy which may subside with full FDA approval of the vaccines.

There are a lot of smart folks who do have good jobs and dress quite stylishly. There are people with low I.Q.s who dress stylishly and are quite charming and appropriate, one of them is our delightful daughter.

I worry about the people who aren't choosing to be vaccinated and I worry about the repercussions, but they are still good people and loved by their friends and their family.

You are right. I was pigeon holing. And I don't like everyone.

My wife and I were in the Moderna trials. I got the vaccine and she got the placebo. I got my second shot last Oct. 9th. Today I was retested for the anti-bodies and still have them. It's been ten months now. When they unblinded the results they notified my wife and she got her second shot February 26th and still has anti-bodies as of today . After our second shots we both had very mild less-than-24 hours of slight fever and some sore joints, nothing more, nothing less. Another interesting fact that I've run into is that those who had Covid first and then got the shots had much greater reactions from the shots than those of us who just had the shots. Having said that we both highly recommend the shots as a preventative.