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dbmachine 06-24-2020 06:01 AM
Sad to see NASCAR stoop to this BLM movement. BLM is a political organization and only uses black lives to fit their narrative, funding, and white guilt. If they cared about black lives they’d be sitting on the steps of Chicago’s city government after this past weekend.

stadry 06-24-2020 06:10 AM
We shall see. If someone placed a noose deliberately in Bubba's garage then I hope they are caught and prosecuted. what is the crime ???

If someone mistook the rope pull down for a noose then they need to say my bad and apologize. life's full of jerks

If someone cooked this up to create a story then they need to be prosecuted. filing a false police report is a crime

terenceanne 06-24-2020 06:12 AM
Just fake news - no investigation of actual facts.

Bay Kid 06-24-2020 06:18 AM
BLM is a hate group. BUBBA is a representative of BLM. Creating trouble, hate and fear. He is a spoiled kid. Lots of press to promote hate and they will continue to act like spoiled Bubba is a hero. Nascar now has to suck it up and apologize.

Scorpyo 06-24-2020 06:34 AM
This mornings news. According to authorities the noose was probably there for a very long time. Had nothing to do with Bubba. No one would know he was going to use the garage at this time. May have been used to hold something. However instead of being happy it had nothing to do with him and it wasn’t a racist statement directed at him Bubba is still complaining that a noose is a noose. Guess we have to get rid of rope now.

DeanFL 06-24-2020 06:42 AM
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I must say, I am so very tired of this story. I wake up to a local NewsRadio show every morning. This topic was discussed ad nauseam for over 1/2 hour. OMG. Let's review.

Media - "A NOOSE IS FOUND IN BUBBA WALLACE"S GARAGE AT TELLADAGA!!!
RACIST SYMBOL FOUND IN ONLY BLACK NASCAR DRIVER'S GARAGE" NASCAR AND FBI INVESTIGATING! 15 FBI AGENTS ASSIGNED AND WILL THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATE THIS HATE CRIME! NASCAR CHIEF VOWS THAT PERP WILL BE PROCECUTED AS A FEDERAL CRIME!!! ALL DRIVERS BAND TOGETHER IN SORROW FOR BUBBA AND THIS DISPICABLE ACT!!! YET ANOTHER HORRIBLE HATE CRIME IN THE USA!

This went on for days - reporters on site, interviews, parades in support, live coverage nationwide, etc etc. BIG NEWS!!!!!!!!! MEDIA SWARMS all over this topic - RACIST!!!!

...then after days of MEDIA Blitz... never mind, it was just a garage door pull that's been there for 9 months.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? Anyone with common sense, looking at the "scene" could see the rope was connected to the door, and would be laying on the ground when the door was closed. It was a common way to close a manual overhead door. Used millions of times over the years (including in my garages at times). Is it a RACIST SYMBOL!!!! nope, just a simple way to attach and use. A call to previous users of this garage would have shown - it's been there for a long time, and NOT put up to harass Bubba or Blacks. period. But - what happens - escalate to the media and the swarm begins. HOURS and HOURS of national/worlwide coverage, creating a swell of anger. ...then "never mind".



“On Monday, fifteen FBI special agents conducted numerous interviews regarding the situation at Talladega Superspeedway. After a thorough review of the facts and evidence surrounding the event, we have concluded that no federal crime was committed.

The FBI learned that garage number 4, where the noose was found, was assigned to Bubba Wallace last week. The investigation also revealed evidence, including authentic video confirmed by NASCAR, that the noose found in garage number 4 was in that garage as early as October 2019. Although the noose is now known to have been in garage number 4 in 2019, nobody could have known Mr. Wallace would be assigned to garage number 4 last week.

The decision not to pursue federal charges is proper after reviewing all available facts and all applicable federal laws. We offer our thanks to NASCAR, Mr. Wallace and everyone who cooperated with this investigation.”

NASCAR said it was thankful that there was no intentional act committed against Wallace.

“The FBI has completed its investigation at Talladega Superspeedway and determined that Bubba Wallace was not the target of a hate crime,” the statement reads. “The FBI report concludes, and photographic evidence confirms, that the garage door pull rope fashioned like a noose had been positioned there since as early as last fall.

“This was obviously well before the 43 team’s arrival and garage assignment. We appreciate the FBI’s quick and thorough investigation and are thankful to learn that this was not an intentional, racist act against Bubba. We remain steadfast in our commitment to providing a welcoming and inclusive environment for all who love racing.”

Pedrocarrasco01@yahoo.com 06-24-2020 06:49 AM
FBI has said that it was not a hanging noose, but a handle for the roll up door
 
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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1790326)
We have seen some stories about "nooses" found recently that turned out to be hoaxes or cases of mistaken identity. Recently in an Oakland park, several "nooses" were found and made a big splash in the media about hateful racist symbols. Then a black man came forward and told authorities that he and his friends put the "nooses" there to use for some kind of swing exercise.

‘Nooses’ in Oakland park were exercise aids, man says

So recently a noose was found in Bubba Wallace's race car bay at a Nascar race. From what I have read, Bubba did not find the noose, it was somebody authorized to be in there. If you have ever been to a Nascar race you would know it is not easy to get even near these bays that house multi million dollar race cars and lots of expensive equipment.

The FBI was on the case immediately, they probably have the noose, but no photos of it have been released to my knowledge. Reports do not seem to mention where it was found, although some say "hanging"

Now some people have been analyzing photos of these garage bays at Talledega taken before and after the incident, and they have noticed something curious.

Almost every bay has a rope with a noose that are used to pull down the garage bay doors. However, photos of Bubba's bay 4 garage on day of incident show only a much shorter rope and no noose.

This is a photo of Bay 4 taken in November 2019 on the left, you can clearly see the rope with a noose and it's length. On the right is photo after incident showing rope cut and no noose..

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This is a photo of Bay 4 on day of incident, you can see Bubba's car inside and also some FBI agents inside talking to someone. The rope pull is clearly shorter and there is no noose. You can see the rope in Bay 5 to the left

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So what does one make of this?

Maybe the FBI will come up with a photo of the noose made from different rope.

Maybe someone managed to cut the pulldown rope noose and place it in the garage. I am pretty sure Nascar has surveillance cameras in this area so we will see.

Maybe whomever discovered the "noose" was not aware that all the bays at Talledega have these "noose like" garage door pulldowns and panicked, thinking it was a racist hate symbol designed to intimidate Bubba.

We shall see. If someone placed a noose deliberately in Bubba's garage then I hope they are caught and prosecuted. If someone mistook the rope pull down for a noose then they need to say my bad and apologize. If someone cooked this up to create a story then they need to be prosecuted.
FBI finally finish the investigation and deemed NOT TO BE A HATE CRIME, but a rope to pull down the garage door in case of a power outage!!!!! :boom:

Heyitsrick 06-24-2020 06:51 AM
They most likely won't admit it, but this is pretty much a PR nightmare for NASCAR and Wallace. Jumping on the "woke" wagon before any investigation had been completed was a mistake. And now Wallace is essentially continuing to say that this rope was a noose, contrary to all the evidence that has been uncovered.

So, what would the correct way to proceed be, PR-wise? Admit as much, and move on. An apology would serve well, too. But it doesn't look like that (as of this writing) is the strategy. Yeah, I can just picture NASCAR fans cheering how this incident has been publicized, not to mention how Wallace is continuing the "noose" statements even after the FBI has investigated. Oh, I'm sure the spin folks will deflect around it. But it's not a good look.

ColdNoMore 06-24-2020 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Heyitsrick (Post 1790671)
Typical straw man response. The quote you responded to doesn't say Watson saw the rope.

Thank goodness we have an expert on noose-creation here. By definition, a noose is a loop. What distinguishes it is that it acts like a slipknot and tightens when pulled.

Funny how Watson is now doubling down on this being a noose, even after the investigation:

Watson speaking to CNN's Don Lemon

Well, let's look at the facts. :oops:

Character Attacks (pull here)

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Wallace made clear what has been publicly reported numerous times but seems to still be causing confusion among those attacking his character on social media.

He did not see the noose on Sunday and he was not the one who reported it to NASCAR.

“Don, the image that I have seen of what was hanging in my garage is not a garage pull,” Wallace said. “I’ve been racing all my life.

We’ve raced out of hundreds of garages that never had garage pulls like that.

People that want to call it a garage pull put out old videos and photos of knots as their evidence, go ahead. From the evidence that I have, it’s a straight-up noose. The FBI has stated that it was a noose over and over again. NASCAR leadership has stated that it was a noose.

I can confirm that. I actually got evidence of what was hanging in my garage over my car around my pit crew guy to confirm that it was a noose.

Never seen anything like it.”
The big question is..."why would anyone think fashioning a noose...would be appropriate in the first place?"

Oh yeah, that's right...I know why.

Given the history of racism within NASCAR and the use of nooses by white people to intimidate blacks throughout the history in this country, a lot of people would think it's funny...and no big deal.

Add the unwarranted attempted character assassination of Wallace, the outrage by many of NASCAR'S recent outright ban on confederate flags...I predict we'll see more cretins start coming out of the woodwork than usual. :ohdear:

I'm just grateful that this incident has an explanation...that wasn't driven by hate. :ho:

Biggles 06-24-2020 06:58 AM
The noose found in Nascar driver Bubba Wallace's garage on Sunday was actually a handle on a garage door and had been there since last year, an FBI investigation concluded.

Eg_cruz 06-24-2020 07:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1790326)
We have seen some stories about "nooses" found recently that turned out to be hoaxes or cases of mistaken identity. Recently in an Oakland park, several "nooses" were found and made a big splash in the media about hateful racist symbols. Then a black man came forward and told authorities that he and his friends put the "nooses" there to use for some kind of swing exercise.

‘Nooses’ in Oakland park were exercise aids, man says

So recently a noose was found in Bubba Wallace's race car bay at a Nascar race. From what I have read, Bubba did not find the noose, it was somebody authorized to be in there. If you have ever been to a Nascar race you would know it is not easy to get even near these bays that house multi million dollar race cars and lots of expensive equipment.

The FBI was on the case immediately, they probably have the noose, but no photos of it have been released to my knowledge. Reports do not seem to mention where it was found, although some say "hanging"

Now some people have been analyzing photos of these garage bays at Talledega taken before and after the incident, and they have noticed something curious.

Almost every bay has a rope with a noose that are used to pull down the garage bay doors. However, photos of Bubba's bay 4 garage on day of incident show only a much shorter rope and no noose.

This is a photo of Bay 4 taken in November 2019 on the left, you can clearly see the rope with a noose and it's length. On the right is photo after incident showing rope cut and no noose..

Attachment 84764

This is a photo of Bay 4 on day of incident, you can see Bubba's car inside and also some FBI agents inside talking to someone. The rope pull is clearly shorter and there is no noose. You can see the rope in Bay 5 to the left

Attachment 84765

So what does one make of this?

Maybe the FBI will come up with a photo of the noose made from different rope.

Maybe someone managed to cut the pulldown rope noose and place it in the garage. I am pretty sure Nascar has surveillance cameras in this area so we will see.

Maybe whomever discovered the "noose" was not aware that all the bays at Talledega have these "noose like" garage door pulldowns and panicked, thinking it was a racist hate symbol designed to intimidate Bubba.

We shall see. If someone placed a noose deliberately in Bubba's garage then I hope they are caught and prosecuted. If someone mistook the rope pull down for a noose then they need to say my bad and apologize. If someone cooked this up to create a story then they need to be prosecuted.
You know, I know And the FBI there was no noose. The media played right into making believe there was a noose hanging in the garage. In fact it was as stated by the FBI a door pull down rope. Bubba says he has prove it was a hanging noose but has yet to show the media.......can you say Bubba Smollett

Bay Kid 06-24-2020 07:12 AM
Fake Noose
 
First it wasn't even a noose. It was a rope tied to the door with a loop to pull the door down. Is anyone sorry? Nope. Let's use this to promote BLM.

CBS at this time is interviewing Bubba for some reason and they are still calling it a noose. Bubba is a little down... because it wasn't a noose. Agenda.

DeanFL 06-24-2020 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1790771)
First it wasn't even a noose. It was a rope tied to the door with a loop to pull the door down. Is anyone sorry? Nope. Let's use this to promote BLM.

CBS at this time is interviewing Bubba for some reason and they are still calling it a noose. Bubba is a little down... because it wasn't a noose. Agenda.

Perhaps post on current Thread>>>

... post >>> Nascar Noose story may be a hoax or case of mistaken identity (Multi-page thread 1 2 3)

Guitarman1951 06-24-2020 07:27 AM
News Media
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1790326)
We have seen some stories about "nooses" found recently that turned out to be hoaxes or cases of mistaken identity. Recently in an Oakland park, several "nooses" were found and made a big splash in the media about hateful racist symbols. Then a black man came forward and told authorities that he and his friends put the "nooses" there to use for some kind of swing exercise.

‘Nooses’ in Oakland park were exercise aids, man says

So recently a noose was found in Bubba Wallace's race car bay at a Nascar race. From what I have read, Bubba did not find the noose, it was somebody authorized to be in there. If you have ever been to a Nascar race you would know it is not easy to get even near these bays that house multi million dollar race cars and lots of expensive equipment.

The FBI was on the case immediately, they probably have the noose, but no photos of it have been released to my knowledge. Reports do not seem to mention where it was found, although some say "hanging"

Now some people have been analyzing photos of these garage bays at Talledega taken before and after the incident, and they have noticed something curious.

Almost every bay has a rope with a noose that are used to pull down the garage bay doors. However, photos of Bubba's bay 4 garage on day of incident show only a much shorter rope and no noose.

This is a photo of Bay 4 taken in November 2019 on the left, you can clearly see the rope with a noose and it's length. On the right is photo after incident showing rope cut and no noose..

Attachment 84764

This is a photo of Bay 4 on day of incident, you can see Bubba's car inside and also some FBI agents inside talking to someone. The rope pull is clearly shorter and there is no noose. You can see the rope in Bay 5 to the left

Attachment 84765

So what does one make of this?

Maybe the FBI will come up with a photo of the noose made from different rope.

Maybe someone managed to cut the pulldown rope noose and place it in the garage. I am pretty sure Nascar has surveillance cameras in this area so we will see.

Maybe whomever discovered the "noose" was not aware that all the bays at Talledega have these "noose like" garage door pulldowns and panicked, thinking it was a racist hate symbol designed to intimidate Bubba.

We shall see. If someone placed a noose deliberately in Bubba's garage then I hope they are caught and prosecuted. If someone mistook the rope pull down for a noose then they need to say my bad and apologize. If someone cooked this up to create a story then they need to be prosecuted.
Anymore, the news media doesn't hesitate to report on something like this without getting more info about the facts. Usually after it has been proven false, they don't even bother to correct it. News media has become more like the infamous National Enquirer, make it up by twisting the truth or ignoring facts. They have lost their credibility with me but too many just eat this stuff up, ready to believe anything. Walter Concrite probably turning in his grave.

BossLady 06-24-2020 07:43 AM
Gees... stop already!
 
Gees... Do you think its possible that some mechanic saw the loop and was concerned for a black friend when there is a lot of weird stuff going on??
Maybe it was an overreaction from a well-meaning colleague?
Maybe Bubba got dragged into a situation?
Maybe he wishes this hadn’t happened at all.

Frankly this forum is mean, boring, monopolized by the same old, pot-stirring voices, the same repetitive “anti” opinions. This forum douses my enthusiasm for TV.


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