[drducat]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

It's just the Pfizer vaccine w/a new name... (And yes, I had to look that up...)

Pfizer is still under emergency authorization use...No Liabilities.

The BioNTech is the same formula and is approved with no liability protection....so, they are not producing this under BioNTech label...Only Pfizer label.....if something goes wrong your on your own until BioNTech is taken, then you have grounds.

Pfizer refuses to replay the litigation it has gone thru in the past and made the case they would not produce unless given a waiver.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by drducat

That is where all the valid info is coming from...UK and Israel.The only countries with honest data...US has been tell fibs and too many are buying it....

Their data is honest for Britain but can not be used as a comparison for the US. As I already said......apples and oranges.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Their data is honest for Britain but can not be used as a comparison for the US. As I already said......apples and oranges.

It appears our scientists disagree with you. But don't feel bad, there is a bombastic individual here that says Israel data doesn't matter because "geography" and "diversity"

JERUSALEM, Sept 5 (Reuters) - Israel this month will present data from an extensive rollout of COVID-19 vaccine booster shots to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, which is weighing White House plans to begin a booster drive in the United States.

Sharon Alroy-Preis, head of public health at Israel's Health Ministry, said the ministry had been asked by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to brief its advisors at a Sept. 17 meeting.

Israel to present COVID-19 booster shot data to FDA experts | Reuters

Israeli data on Covid-19 vaccine boosters to publish in prominent medical journal ahead of key FDA committee meeting next week

Israeli data on Covid-19 vaccine boosters to publish in prominent medical journal ahead of key FDA committee meeting next week - CNN

NIH director says new Israeli Covid data is building case for booster shots in the U.S.

Covid vaccine booster shots: NIH director says new Israel data is building case in the U.S.

Fauci: ‘Dramatic Data’ From Israel Support COVID-19 Boosters

Fauci: 'Dramatic Data' From Israel Support COVID-19 Boosters - Chronicles Health

[Bill14564]

Fact Check-Media reports have not lied about Pfizer-BioNTech’s FDA approval
Fact check: FDA has fully approved Pfizer's coronavirus vaccine
The false claim that the fully-approved Pfizer vaccine lacks liability protection
Fact Check: Pfizer vaccine fully approved
Claim that the first COVID-19 vaccine that was approved by the FDA is somehow different than the "Pfizer vaccine" currently available is misleading
Researcher Distorts Facts on COVID-19 Vaccine Approval, Liability

From the FactCheck article:

Malone did not respond to our request for comment, but acknowledged in an Aug. 30 tweet that he was “wrong” about the purported differences in liability. Malone told the Washington Post‘s Fact Checker: “On this particular legal liability issue I did not hunt down the details myself, and relied on comments from a third party lawyer which were not fully correct.”

Those are six separate fact checks on the same topic. Can you provide even two that support your position and don't come from Malone, Bannon, Kennedy, or the My Pillow guy?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by drducat

To think this is happening is outlandish.....

FDA ‘playing bait and switch’ with Americans, tricking them into believing shots currently being offered have been granted full approval when they have not – LeoHohmann.com

This is not news to me. I read about this as at least a couple of weeks ago right after the full FDA approval was given to the Pfizer vaccine. This is not being hidden from the American people and there is no bait and switch going on.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jswirs

This is a huge WOW. As I have been saying, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. And...The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior!

The head of the CDC in 1976 was squirming for sure. He was not being transparent at all about the Swine Flu vaccine side effects. Having said that, Guillian Barre Syndrome is a very well known potential side effect of vaccines and has been for years.

The CDC has been very transparent with the possible side effects of these current vaccines for Covid. Guillian Barre Syndrome is also a possible side effect of the Covid vaccines. This is not news to me and this information has been very well publicized.

Just a moment...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

The head of the CDC in 1976 was squirming for sure. He was not being transparent at all about the Swine Flu vaccine side effects. Having said that, Guillian Barre Syndrome is a very well known potential side effect of vaccines and has been for years.

The CDC has been very transparent with the possible side effects of these current vaccines for Covid. Guillian Barre Syndrome is also a possible side effect of the Covid vaccines. This is not news to me and this information has been very well publicized.

Wiley Online Library

This isn't true. It's not a "side effect" of the virus. The cause of Guillian-Barre syndrome is still not known. It is believed (but not confirmed) that it MIGHT be TRIGGERED by having COVID-19, and possibly by the J&J vaccine as well.

It is also believed that it MIGHT be triggered by eating uncooked or undercooked poultry that has the campylobactor bacteria in it, Zika, Hepatitis (A, B, C, and E), CMV, recent surgery, respiratory or digestive tract infection, and ventilation, and a list of other possible triggers.

In fact, the vaccine AND Covid-19 are both considered RARE possible triggers, compared with all of the other possible triggers. Eating undercooked poultry is the most common trigger.

Lastly, Guillian-Barre syndrome is, in and of itself, a rare disorder. It's not likely that anyone would ever have it in the first place. And for those rare few who do, it is USUALLY triggered by something OTHER than the J&J vaccine or being sick with COVID-19.

Here's my source for this information:

Guillain-Barre syndrome - Symptoms and causes - Mayo Clinic



You can check the Mayo Clinic website on Guillain-Barre syndrome,

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Vaccine passports could indicate date of expiration and date of renewal when boosters show full vaccination status as now in Israel. But that’s not really what you are asking?

And …

‘The vaccines were 87 percent effective overall at preventing hospitalization, protection that remained relatively consistent before and after Delta became the country’s dominant variant, the study shows. But that figure masks notable differences between age groups. The shots were only 80 percent effective at keeping adults over 65 from being hospitalized with Covid, while they were 95 percent effective for people between ages 18 and 64.’

is probably explained by the fact that the older people got vaccinated first and therefore their vaccines are older and had more time to wane.

UNvaccinated people are 11 times MORE likely to die from CV than vaccinated people!

[Two Bills]

Our cat has not been vaccinated, had Covid, worn a mask, and never once has socially distanced herself in public.
We now live on Meow Mix Original, the best protection out there!

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Our cat has not been vaccinated, had Covid, worn a mask, and never once has socially distanced herself in public.
We now live on Meow Mix Original, the best protection out there!

Our dog has stuck his nose many places it shouldn't be, yet continues to be virus-resistant.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

UNvaccinated people are 11 times MORE likely to die from CV than vaccinated people!

Yes, as of now, but it looks like the protection of the mRNA vaccine is dropping. And not proportionally to time lapsed since getting the vaccine, but logarithmically. Therefore the need for boosters.

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Asymptomatic breakthrough cases go uncounted all the time, just as asymptomatic cases of the un-vaccinated go uncounted. There is no need to get tested if you are not having symptoms unless you need to test for travel or employment or whatever other reason there may be.

So......why bother to count those breakthrough cases at all? The purpose of our vaccines was always to minimize the symptoms of Covid and prevent death. I do understand the reason for the CDC to stop counting breakthrough cases unless those cases result in hospitalization and death. Those are the cases the vaccine failed to do what it was supposed to do. Those are the cases that need to be counted.

All my opinion.

Then we were lied to. Here's what the CDC was saying early on about the vaccines

COVID-19 vaccines are effective
COVID 19-vaccines are effective. They can keep you from getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19

Agree that the breakthrough hospitalizations and deaths are more important. I'm suspicious, however, why it's not counting other breakthrough cases. Isn't it the CDC's business to track and record statistics?

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by glsatterlee

Report from the Cleveland Clinic:

People who have previously been infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 are protected against being infected again and thus don’t need to be vaccinated, according to a new study.

“Our conclusion is that if you were previously infected, you are protected because of the previous infection and you don’t need the vaccine,” Dr. Nabin Shrestha, of the Cleveland Clinic’s Department of Infectious Disease, told The Epoch Times.

Shrestha and colleagues at the clinic studied data on employees, separating them into four groups: previously infected and unvaccinated, previously infected and vaccinated, not previously infected and unvaccinated, and not previously infected and vaccinated.

They found the vaccines were strongly effective in preventing infection from the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus, which causes COVID-19, but that previous infection also bestowed a natural immunity.

“Among the people who were previously infected, whether they took the vaccine or not, there really were no COVID cases,” Shrestha said.

Of the 52,238 employees studied, 2,579 were previously infected. About half of those remained unvaccinated. Of the 49,659 employees who did not have a previous infection, 41 percent did not get a vaccine.

Oh my. We can't use a study like that. It doesn't justify total vaccine mandates......

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Our cat has not been vaccinated, had Covid, worn a mask, and never once has socially distanced herself in public.
We now live on Meow Mix Original, the best protection out there!

Originally Posted by CFrance

Our dog has stuck his nose many places it shouldn't be, yet continues to be virus-resistant.

Well, I am making my laptop keep its mask on because I sure do not want it to get a virus. . .

My iPad leaves the house with me sometimes and has a mask for every occasion, but my laptop just sits around on my desk all day wearing one of those blue ones from the box.

So far -- no viruses for either one.

Boomer

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Can you post a source for your claim that no one died from flu, heart disease, or cancer? This report seems to show otherwise.

If the Covid death numbers are just cooked, do you have an explanation for the approximately 550,000 additional deaths in 2020?

What prerequisite screening processes were skipped?

Little difference in the death rate over the last 5 or so years. No doubt countries are 'cooking the books' for whatever reason when it comes to death rates. Last I looked, China was declaring less the 5000 COVID deaths. Does anyone really think that's accurate.

United States - Historical Death Rate Data
Year Death Rate Growth Rate
2021 8.977 1.090%
2020 8.880 1.120%
2019 8.782 1.120%
2018 8.685 1.220%
2017 8.580 1.240%