[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by lkagele

Little difference in the death rate over the last 5 or so years. No doubt countries are 'cooking the books' for whatever reason when it comes to death rates. Last I looked, China was declaring less the 5000 COVID deaths. Does anyone really think that's accurate.

United States - Historical Death Rate Data
Year Death Rate Growth Rate
2021 8.977 1.090%
2020 8.880 1.120%
2019 8.782 1.120%
2018 8.685 1.220%
2017 8.580 1.240%

Where did that come from? The CDC shows 588,000 additional deaths in 2020 (approx 20% increase) and while the data are preliminary it appears 2021 is on pace to match that

[drducat]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

This is not news to me. I read about this as at least a couple of weeks ago right after the full FDA approval was given to the Pfizer vaccine. This is not being hidden from the American people and there is no bait and switch going on.

That is not correct...Pfizer is emergency use approved only...read the FDA paper and not msnbc or cnn...etc.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by SkBlogW

Health care professor?? LOL With no link we have no idea when he said it and what data he was analyzing. The CDC funded study I linked in OP shows 16% of hospitalizations were fully vaccinated from June 20 to July 17, at start of Delata surge.

Probably percentage is higher now due to delta surge peaking at very high levels, and more time for vaccine efficacy to go lower. Israel reported as high as 40% when they hit peak delta surge.

Follow the science dude!!

I DO follow the Science. That's why I KNOW what Dr. Ashish Jha of Brown University has said MANY times on mainstream TV. I trust what I see on MSM and NOT the rot that is on dark, extreme media and SOME dark places on Facebook - that is regurgitated by the strange Anti-Vaccine-types that I read making statements on TV Land forums and getting their thrills by starting Threads of Propaganda often.

A really large factual Federal study out recently states that the mRNA vaccines are still 87% effective against hospitalizations even WITH the DELTA variant. It also states that DEATHS are 11 times as great for the UNvaccinated compared to the Vaccinated!

[jswirs]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

The head of the CDC in 1976 was squirming for sure. He was not being transparent at all about the Swine Flu vaccine side effects. Having said that, Guillian Barre Syndrome is a very well known potential side effect of vaccines and has been for years.

The CDC has been very transparent with the possible side effects of these current vaccines for Covid. Guillian Barre Syndrome is also a possible side effect of the Covid vaccines. This is not news to me and this information has been very well publicized.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ccr3.4756

Really? Not according to the average John Q. Public. All they have heard is "Get the vaccine, it's safe" And I, for one, would never describe the CDC being "very transparent" with any involved risk. One needs to seek out that information, it is not on any form you are given to sign before getting the injection.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Just a thought:
How many HEALTHY people are dying from Covid?
If healthy people are not dying from Covid, and a vaccination does NOT keep healthy people from being infected, then is it REALLY important that healthy folks get vaccinated?
Do healthy children really NEED to be vaccinated for Covid at this time? Perhaps more research and testing should be conducted?
Do healthy folks need a booster shot if it does not keep them from becoming infected and when infected they do not need to worry about dying from Covid?
Just some thoughts, that sets aside the hysteria and panic and just asks some basic questions.
Like I have said before, I have had my shots. Do I intend on getting a booster? I am healthy, no medications, and just vitamins. So, my debate with myself is the pros and cons of getting the booster. If it is not necessary, then why subject the body with a foreign substance that may or may not have long term effects? Since I am in my twilight years, does any long term effects even matter?
Do manipulated stats really mean anything to me? Does anyone else's safety mean anything to me, other than my family and close friends? Do I wish to take responsibility for other folks safety when there is no proof that I would have any effect regardless of what I do?
Mandated masks that have very little effect.
Mandated vaccinations that may not even protect you.
Shut down services
Destroy the economy
Delay children's education for years
Delay important surgeries

Evil is having a great time and celebrating the world's panic.

Yes agreed, just take zinc. And try and ONLY care about yourself and near relatives. That is the SMALL-tribal theory of human society.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by SkBlogW

It appears our scientists disagree with you. But don't feel bad, there is a bombastic individual here that says Israel data doesn't matter because "geography" and "diversity"

JERUSALEM, Sept 5 (Reuters) - Israel this month will present data from an extensive rollout of COVID-19 vaccine booster shots to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, which is weighing White House plans to begin a booster drive in the United States.

Sharon Alroy-Preis, head of public health at Israel's Health Ministry, said the ministry had been asked by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to brief its advisors at a Sept. 17 meeting.

Israel to present COVID-19 booster shot data to FDA experts | Reuters

Israeli data on Covid-19 vaccine boosters to publish in prominent medical journal ahead of key FDA committee meeting next week

Israeli data on Covid-19 vaccine boosters to publish in prominent medical journal ahead of key FDA committee meeting next week - CNN

NIH director says new Israeli Covid data is building case for booster shots in the U.S.

Covid vaccine booster shots: NIH director says new Israel data is building case in the U.S.

Fauci: ‘Dramatic Data’ From Israel Support COVID-19 Boosters

Fauci: 'Dramatic Data' From Israel Support COVID-19 Boosters - Chronicles Health

Data from Israel is relevant to the US as they predominantly used Pfizer to vaccinated their citizens and they adhered to the interval recommended by the manufacturer. My hesitation is to compare Britain to the US for reasons I have already stated in a previous post.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Their data is honest for Britain but can not be used as a comparison for the US. As I already said......apples and oranges.

Britain and Israel have Universal Health Care. They ARE real countries that CARE about their population - in contrast to the US, which is neanderthal-like and exists in the dark ages with respect to Public Healthcare.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Our dog has stuck his nose many places it shouldn't be, yet continues to be virus-resistant.

I like the story of how dogs always sniff other dogs backsides first.
Evidently back in the early days of evolution, dogs used to leave their backsides at the cloakroom check in when entering a doggy establishment.
One night there was a fire, and in the panic to leave, dogs just grabbed the first backside they could get their hands on.
They have been searching ever since for their own lost posterior.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Our dog has stuck his nose many places it shouldn't be, yet continues to be virus-resistant.

And my dog had hypnotherapy and acupuncture therapy and has ALWAYS tested negative for CV!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

This isn't true. It's not a "side effect" of the virus. The cause of Guillian-Barre syndrome is still not known. It is believed (but not confirmed) that it MIGHT be TRIGGERED by having COVID-19, and possibly by the J&J vaccine as well.

It is also believed that it MIGHT be triggered by eating uncooked or undercooked poultry that has the campylobactor bacteria in it, Zika, Hepatitis (A, B, C, and E), CMV, recent surgery, respiratory or digestive tract infection, and ventilation, and a list of other possible triggers.

In fact, the vaccine AND Covid-19 are both considered RARE possible triggers, compared with all of the other possible triggers. Eating undercooked poultry is the most common trigger.

Lastly, Guillian-Barre syndrome is, in and of itself, a rare disorder. It's not likely that anyone would ever have it in the first place. And for those rare few who do, it is USUALLY triggered by something OTHER than the J&J vaccine or being sick with COVID-19.

Here's my source for this information:

Guillain-Barre syndrome - Symptoms and causes - Mayo Clinic



You can check the Mayo Clinic website on Guillain-Barre syndrome,

Thank you for this information. I don't know why but I have always understood vaccines to be a cause of this very rare syndrome. I have also thought that the vaccine hesitancy we have here in the US is due to the very rare possibility of this specific syndrome. This comes from long before Covid too.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Britain and Israel have Universal Health Care. They ARE real countries that CARE about their population - in contrast to the US, which is neanderthal-like and exists in the dark ages with respect to Public Healthcare.

You should see our waiting lists for treatments since the pandemic started!
I paid privately to have my knee replaced, as I could not wait for a year or more for surgery.
No system has the perfect answer.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by drducat

That is not correct...Pfizer is emergency use approved only...read the FDA paper and not msnbc or cnn...etc.

Pfizer has received full FDA approval for their formula which is the exact same as the Pfizer vaccine already in use but under a different brand name. This is being reported on MSM. There has been full transparency about the differences.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

You should see our waiting lists for treatments since the pandemic started!
I paid privately to have my knee replaced, as I could not wait for a year or more for surgery.
No system has the perfect answer.

True.....there is NO perfect........ANYTHING. If I were to try to IMPROVE US healthcare other than making it ALL universal like the V.A. and Medicare - I would check to see why the medical schools are NOT minting MORE Doctors? Possibly it IS a covert way to drive the DEMAND up by artificially keeping the SUPPLY down.

I personally, knew a doctor that had to go to MEXICO and learn Spanish in order to study MEDICINE. Perhaps, just an N of 1 - I am NOT sure?

[drducat]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Pfizer has received full FDA approval for their formula which is the exact same as the Pfizer vaccine already in use but under a different brand name. This is being reported on MSM. There has been full transparency about the differences.

Right and if you get really sick with a life long illness from the vaccine...you are on your own....unless you take the BioNTech label...then you can go after them but never Pfizer. they are protected.....so ask for the BioNTech label and watch the look on their face.

[drducat]

Now this is outrageous and these people should be jailed......INFLATING NUMBERS!!!!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1436466927703138308