[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I am aware of this.

Quoting myself here........

Since I wrote this reply, I was informed differently. There is so much to be learned about this entire scenario we are all dealing with. Knowing there is Federal assistance in place for people who are harmed by vaccines, makes me breathe a sigh of relief. That is one "excuse" anti-vaxxers will have to let go of. Thank goodness and thanks to Blueash for offering that information to us.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by blueash

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Of course ducat was corrected. He is getting his opinion from far right wing blogs.



and instead of admitting the error, learning from it, maybe even thanking the poster for adding to his knowledge and apologizing for posting false information, we get this reply




Ducat is wrong again. I'm not sure whose face we are supposed to look at, but his (or her) understanding of vaccine liability in the US is wrong. When you get almost any vaccine in this country the manufacturer's liability is covered by a federal program. This is not unique to Covid shots. It is true of the MMR, the DTap etc. All the Covid vaccines, not just Pfizer's are covered by the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program. Vaccines for children and pregnant women are covered under the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program which was signed into law by Reagan in 1986.

And there is no such thing as a stand alone "the BioNTech vaccine." The correct name and the name that was used in emergency approval is Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. Once Pfizer -BioNTech got full authorization for use of this vaccine in people 16 and older they then rebranded with a commercial name, Comirnaty, while the identical vaccine being given under emergency authorization is still Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine for those 12 to 15. Further, the authorization allows the use of either of these vaccines in all circumstances where either is authorized, because they are identical. If all I have in my freezer is Comirnaty and I wish to vaccinate a 12 year old it can be used. If all I have is Pfizer-BioNTech and I wish to immunize a 60 year old I can use it. A Datsun is a Nissan, a Nissan is a Datsun. So simple to understand.

You can read the history of the association of Pfizer, a US company, and BioNTech, a German company in the development [all in Germany], manufacture, and sales of this vaccine.

I only read the FDA's own explanation on the 2 different letters published....One for Pfizer and a second one for BioNTech.......FDA wrote it not me.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I do see, and I do worry about the break through cases. In my home, daughter and I are once again staying away from the fun of painting and doing crafts at the rec centers and mostly because she so dislikes to wear masks for long periods of time.

I don't doubt at all that there are many break through cases. I just am skeptical that fourteen percent of those hospitalized with Covid have been completely vaccinated. I could be wrong.

We can banter all we want to on here but Blue Ash and Eagle are both M.D.s and they didn't get their certification out of a Cheerio's box.

They sometimes differ politically but they give us good info about medicine.

So grateful for both of them.

I am a retired person educated in Early Childhood Development. I had a lot of experience accompanying our daughter who was born with Williams Syndrome through many, many, many medical procedures and hospitalizations at a wonderfully skilled place; Cincinnati Children's Hospital. Every single person I met there were doing it by the books. They taught me to respect the traditional medical community. I have not changed.

Right along with many other opinions from a variety of MD's....Not researchers.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by drducat

I keep posting this and here is one more time...a quick search finds data supporting this....Vaccinated are causing the variants why? Because this vaccine is a partial immunity vaccine....Non Sterilizing Vaccine...Only reaches B-CELL IMMUNITY...Thats it folks...simple as that. Vaccinated are infected and by shear numbers the virus figures out how to bypass this simple immunity from the jabs which creates a new variant.

Not so fast. This has been fact checked.........

Fact Check-No evidence vaccination efforts are causing new COVID-19 variants | Reuters

[drducat]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Quoting myself here........

Since I wrote this reply, I was informed differently. There is so much to be learned about this entire scenario we are all dealing with. Knowing there is Federal assistance in place for people who are harmed by vaccines, makes me breathe a sigh of relief. That is one "excuse" anti-vaxxers will have to let go of. Thank goodness and thanks to Blueash for offering that information to us.

All is good except this vax is not covered under the vaccine injury Federal Assistance...They will tell you your on your own for taking an experimental substance.....Sorry hope all eventually can recover that had issues not to forget the Thousands that have died from the jab.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Not so fast. This has been fact checked.........

Fact Check-No evidence vaccination efforts are causing new COVID-19 variants | Reuters

NO No No....Quit reading media....They have been spreading disinfo on this...

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by drducat

All is good except this vax is not covered under the vaccine injury Federal Assistance...They will tell you your on your own for taking an experimental substance.....Sorry hope all eventually can recover that had issues not to forget the Thousands that have died from the jab.

Please refer to posts #78 and #108.

I would be interested in any evidence "the jab" has led to thousands dying. (though the lack of "the jab" is leading to over 1500 dying every day currently)

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by drducat

I keep posting this and here is one more time...a quick search finds data supporting this....Vaccinated are causing the variants why? Because this vaccine is a partial immunity vaccine....Non Sterilizing Vaccine...Only reaches B-CELL IMMUNITY...Thats it folks...simple as that. Vaccinated are infected and by shear numbers the virus figures out how to bypass this simple immunity from the jabs which creates a new variant.

If the Delta variant was found in India around 2020, and India's vaccination program only got under way in January 2021, how did vaccine cause that variant?

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

If the Delta variant was found in India around 2020, and India's vaccination program only got under way in January 2021, how did vaccine cause that variant?

It is obvious to me, that you simply have a hard time with magical thinking.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by drducat

I keep posting this and here is one more time...a quick search finds data supporting this....Vaccinated are causing the variants why? Because this vaccine is a partial immunity vaccine....Non Sterilizing Vaccine...Only reaches B-CELL IMMUNITY...Thats it folks...simple as that. Vaccinated are infected and by shear numbers the virus figures out how to bypass this simple immunity from the jabs which creates a new variant.

Lately, I have been hearing the word "jabs" so much that I feel that I am listening to an announcer from the "Rocky" movie.
Nevertheless .....The Kaiser Family Foundation did a 3 months-long study about the cost of Hospitalization incurred by UNvaccinated CV patients - for the last 3 months the cost was $ 5.7 Billion - that is 5.7 Billion American dollars - that is Billion with a B !

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Velvet

It is obvious to me, that you simply have a hard time with magical thinking.

There are 7 mountain ranges in India. These 7 have some of the HIGHEST elevations in the world. Many Western tourists come to these HIGH mountain elevations. The thin air and the BEAUTIFUL scenery there -
in combination with the friendly people and some VERY edible local HIGH-altitude mushrooms lead many tourists to have momentary lapses into visions of clarity and magical thinking.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by drducat

NO No No....Quit reading media....They have been spreading disinfo on this...

Oh yes, the last resort when logic and facts fail..............blame the media.........and deflect!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by drducat

All is good except this vax is not covered under the vaccine injury Federal Assistance...They will tell you your on your own for taking an experimental substance.....Sorry hope all eventually can recover that had issues not to forget the Thousands that have died from the jab.

So......which is it? Are we covered if we are harmed or are we not covered if we are harmed from a Covid vaccine? Who to believe?

Thousands of deaths have been reported but not all are a direct result of the vaccine. This is what the CDC has to say about that.......

Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by drducat

NO No No....Quit reading media....They have been spreading disinfo on this...

Which source(s) are you using regarding Covid variants being caused by vaccinated people?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by drducat

NO No No....Quit reading media....They have been spreading disinfo on this...

Reuters is a reliable source.