Have to wonder if we will look back in time to say we were as wrong about one position or the other regarding COVID......."all we did wrong was listen to the EPA".

'9/11 didn’t end on 9/11': attorney says his clients are still dying 20 years later

Yes to vaccine passports.

Let the unvaccinated enjoy "freedom" from inside their homes while patriotic americans move about freely.

Remember when patiotism meant a sacrifice for the common good? In WWII people gladly accepted years of rationing and blackouts. Soldiers letters home were read and censored. Where is that sense of civic duty now? Instead too many just in it for themselves.

And as for boosters. The military gave me more vaccines and boosters than I can count.
And on Monday I'm going to to the VA for the covid vaccine booster. It isn't just for my benefit. It's my patriotic duty to do what I can to stop the virus and save American lives.

Well said!

I’m not sure that vaccine passports have quite the same significance as before. Previously it was thought that the vaccinated don’t transmit the virus, but now we know the infected vaccinated people do transmit the Delta variant. The load is likely to be less in milder infections but they can transmit nevertheless. Which means the vaccines mostly protect the person who is vaccinated. That is very different from, get vaccinated to protect all of us. Still there are obvious benefits, milder cases don’t fill up the hospitals and that leaves room for other illnesses to be treated.

Health care professor?? LOL With no link we have no idea when he said it and what data he was analyzing. The CDC funded study I linked in OP shows 16% of hospitalizations were fully vaccinated from June 20 to July 17, at start of Delata surge.

Probably percentage is higher now due to delta surge peaking at very high levels, and more time for vaccine efficacy to go lower. Israel reported as high as 40% when they hit peak delta surge.

Follow the science dude!!

England has today officially dumped Vaccine Passports.
To much trouble, and cost to introduce.
Scotland is still going ahead with them.

Herd immunity is toast....


‘Herd immunity’ impossible to achieve, say experts

No, I did not listen to the podcast.

Britain vaccinated many of their citizens with AZ vaccine. I don't know the efficacy of that vaccine vs the mRNA vaccines that are prominent on our country. Britain also did not adhere to the manufacturer's recommendation for the interval of administering the vaccines. Britain decided to vaccinate as many people as possible with the first shot and had their citizens wait much longer for their second shot. Also.....Britain used mixed vaccines for their citizens. They were told to take which ever vaccine was available at the time, even if it were different manufacturers.

Comparing Britain with the US is like comparing apples to oranges, IMHO.

That is where all the valid info is coming from...UK and Israel.The only countries with honest data...US has been tell fibs and too many are buying it....

Wow watch this.....

I consider the CDC less than 50% effective in providing accurate statistics.

And here we have another individual who is able to think for himself. Unfortunately, there are not that many of us. GREAT POST!.

To think this is happening is outlandish.....

FDA ‘playing bait and switch’ with Americans, tricking them into believing shots currently being offered have been granted full approval when they have not – LeoHohmann.com

Maybe we should use a vaccine passport in place of voter id?

This is a huge WOW. As I have been saying, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. And...The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior!

Two things jump out at me from that video.

1. The entire vaccine effort and scare mongering were based on ONE case and fatality. There were "media reports" of other cases. No verification, no anything, just a mass vaccination based on ONE CASE FATALITY.

2. You could sue the federal government if harmed. There were no blanket waivers of liability on that one. Boy did "they" learn their lesson.


I guess there is one lesson here. Unless you hear it from a celebrity's mouth, don't believe it.

Another lesson, if you are mandated to get a shot, insist on Comirnaty. Generic Pfiser BNT162b2 is only approved under EUA and you assume all liability when taking it.

I got the Moderna shot, it's been seemingly more effective, lets hope that trend continues. Two potential reasons for this are the time between shots and the amount of active MRNA. Based on the UK experience, stretching out the window between shots may improve efficacy, so maybe skip a week or two between if you're getting a Comirnaty.

So, what is highlighted above is one of your lessons? I take that is sarcasm on your part?
I get no lessons from the video, because it's nothing more than what I have experienced, seen, lived, for many decades. However, it may be worthwhile ammunition against the current "mandate".

Just a thought:
How many HEALTHY people are dying from Covid?
If healthy people are not dying from Covid, and a vaccination does NOT keep healthy people from being infected, then is it REALLY important that healthy folks get vaccinated?
Do healthy children really NEED to be vaccinated for Covid at this time? Perhaps more research and testing should be conducted?
Do healthy folks need a booster shot if it does not keep them from becoming infected and when infected they do not need to worry about dying from Covid?
Just some thoughts, that sets aside the hysteria and panic and just asks some basic questions.
Like I have said before, I have had my shots. Do I intend on getting a booster? I am healthy, no medications, and just vitamins. So, my debate with myself is the pros and cons of getting the booster. If it is not necessary, then why subject the body with a foreign substance that may or may not have long term effects? Since I am in my twilight years, does any long term effects even matter?
Do manipulated stats really mean anything to me? Does anyone else's safety mean anything to me, other than my family and close friends? Do I wish to take responsibility for other folks safety when there is no proof that I would have any effect regardless of what I do?
Mandated masks that have very little effect.
Mandated vaccinations that may not even protect you.
Shut down services
Destroy the economy
Delay children's education for years
Delay important surgeries

Evil is having a great time and celebrating the world's panic.

Sorry, left off a :MOJE_whot:

Yes, basically if the media presents it as important, it's probably trying to manipulate you one way or another.

WooHoo! Yay Me!

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It seems that they are purposely ignoring those who had and recovered from Covid...

I can't figure out why that is... But I have my suspicions...

NO ONE else is using that ridiculously high number...

Scene at Publix

Mask wearing vaccinated person to un masked, un vaccinated covid survivor

How dare you!! Get your mask on! Where is your vaccine passport! You are going to kill all the children and allow the phi kappa delta variant to infect us all!

Survivor: Why do you wear a mask if vaccinated?

Vaxxer: Because science tells us that vaccinated people can still be infected and spread their cooties. This is why vaccine passports are neccessary.

Survivor: WTF????

Except I'd never do that @ Publix...

If a business asks me to wear a mask, and I choose to be a patron of said business, I'll put on a mask...

The juice just ain't worth the squeeze...

Now, if someone harasses me on the street about not wearing a mask, we'll have a serious problem...

Comirnaty is non existent.....try to find some.....not being made yet...maybe in a couple of years...good luck.

With the highly contagious delta variant, which can reinfect those who had Covid before, the vaccine mostly protects the person vaccinated. In one week over one million new cases in the US.

And children:

‘Change in Child COVID-19 Cases*

251,781 child COVID-19 cases were reported the past week from 8/26/21-9/2/21 (4,797,683 to 5,049,465) and children represented 26.8% (251,781/939,470) of the weekly reported cases
Over two weeks, 8/19/21-9/2/21, there was a 10% increase in the cumulated number of child COVID-19 cases since the beginning of the pandemic (455,744 cases added (4,593,721 to 5,049,465))’

So more than 1 out of 4 cases were in children. They are now filling the pediatric hospitals as well. Very scary time to be a parent.

They might have vaccine available for children by Halloween. (FOX TV).

Same here....your good to go for most likely 20 years or so.

Maybe or maybe not...good read though....these jabs are risky...

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko Discusses How Covid-19 Shots Might Reduce Lifespan

The sign at Walmart suggests that, or asks that we wear a mask but does not mandate it. They also offer a paper mask at the door. Sorry, but like many others I do not wear the mask since they are not demanding compliance. Either the vaccine works or it does not. If that bothers folks, they should stay their distance and act as if I am not vaccinated. If they are vaccinated and wearing a mask, good for them. I hope they live a long and useless life. Because if you are going to live life in constant fear, why bother?
This is my choice and I do not attempt to encourage anyone to do what they feel is unsafe. That is my disclaimer. :ho:

Well, Byte1, it is the unvaccinated by far, who catch Covid although that will likely change as the vaccine without a booster will be less and less protective to the vaccinated. And the ‘live free or die’ type tend not to get vaccinated in the first place. The virus looks for easy targets. Like them. Yum! It is resilient, it is a survivor. Are we?

Thank you.
 

Thank you!!!

I think you could make a _legal_ argument that you will indeed vaccinate as mandated, once the vaccine that has full FDA approval is available. Labels matter. If the label doesn't say Comirnaty, it's not the FDA approved vaccine and hence cannot be mandated.

If that takes 2 years, so it goes.

The people involved are beginning to leave.....these 2 over the booster....Sorry fox has this listed....read..not sure what the video says.

COVID-19 vaccine boosters unnecessary for most, say FDA advisers reportedly resigning over issue | Fox News

It's just the Pfizer vaccine w/a new name... (And yes, I had to look that up...)

Well, I know that I'm good for at least 18 months, since that's how long it's been since I had Covid and when I had an antibody test last month...

Pfizer is still under emergency authorization use...No Liabilities.

The BioNTech is the same formula and is approved with no liability protection....so, they are not producing this under BioNTech label...Only Pfizer label.....if something goes wrong your on your own until BioNTech is taken, then you have grounds.

Pfizer refuses to replay the litigation it has gone thru in the past and made the case they would not produce unless given a waiver.

Their data is honest for Britain but can not be used as a comparison for the US. As I already said......apples and oranges.

It appears our scientists disagree with you. But don't feel bad, there is a bombastic individual here that says Israel data doesn't matter because "geography" and "diversity" :shocked:

JERUSALEM, Sept 5 (Reuters) - Israel this month will present data from an extensive rollout of COVID-19 vaccine booster shots to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, which is weighing White House plans to begin a booster drive in the United States.

Sharon Alroy-Preis, head of public health at Israel's Health Ministry, said the ministry had been asked by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to brief its advisors at a Sept. 17 meeting.

Israel to present COVID-19 booster shot data to FDA experts | Reuters

Israeli data on Covid-19 vaccine boosters to publish in prominent medical journal ahead of key FDA committee meeting next week

Israeli data on Covid-19 vaccine boosters to publish in prominent medical journal ahead of key FDA committee meeting next week - CNN

NIH director says new Israeli Covid data is building case for booster shots in the U.S.

Covid vaccine booster shots: NIH director says new Israel data is building case in the U.S.

Fauci: ‘Dramatic Data’ From Israel Support COVID-19 Boosters

Fauci: 'Dramatic Data' From Israel Support COVID-19 Boosters - Chronicles Health

Fact Check-Media reports have not lied about Pfizer-BioNTech’s FDA approval
Fact check: FDA has fully approved Pfizer's coronavirus vaccine
The false claim that the fully-approved Pfizer vaccine lacks liability protection
Fact Check: Pfizer vaccine fully approved
Claim that the first COVID-19 vaccine that was approved by the FDA is somehow different than the "Pfizer vaccine" currently available is misleading
Researcher Distorts Facts on COVID-19 Vaccine Approval, Liability

From the FactCheck article:

Malone did not respond to our request for comment, but acknowledged in an Aug. 30 tweet that he was “wrong” about the purported differences in liability. Malone told the Washington Post‘s Fact Checker: “On this particular legal liability issue I did not hunt down the details myself, and relied on comments from a third party lawyer which were not fully correct.”

Those are six separate fact checks on the same topic. Can you provide even two that support your position and don't come from Malone, Bannon, Kennedy, or the My Pillow guy?

This is not news to me. I read about this as at least a couple of weeks ago right after the full FDA approval was given to the Pfizer vaccine. This is not being hidden from the American people and there is no bait and switch going on.